HIGHLIGHT THIS TRANSCRIPT (Hodl x Erik Cason)

*TL;DR – HIGHLIGHT THIS TRANSCRIPT TO CREATE NEW NOSTR EVENTS, GET ZAPS, AND EXPOSE MORE PEOPLE TO THE BITCOIN PODCAST IN THE PROCESS*

WHY THE FUCK AM I DOING THIS?

Up until now I’ve been publishing transcripts for THE Bitcoin Podcast (@Titcoin on Nostr) on my website, bitcoinpodcast.net/words, and, more recently, putting show notes/summaries on my newly-created Substack, substack.com/@walkeramerica, so people can sign up to get episodes delivered to their inbox (unfortunately I can’t publish the full transcripts on Substack because they’re too long). I also just hate doing this because it takes time and I don’t think anyone actually reads them on my website or on my Substack. And Substack is a centralized shithole anyway.

But I’ve been thinking… It would make a lot more sense to just publish the summaries and full transcripts directly on Nostr so people can search and highlight the text more easily, with each highlight creating a brand new Nostr event. I’ll also post the quotes I’ve already pulled from the episode in a section at the top, which will give people a taste of what they can expect in addition to giving them some low-hanging-fruit for highlighting. Most obviously, publishing on Nostr means I just need to publish ONCE and my post will be available to everyone on whatever client they use (huzzah for open protocols and fuck Substack).

There are a few benefits to this Nostr-focused approach:

People can easily search the full text transcripts and find quotes they find meaningful/funny/fucked up/insightful/etc.
When they create a highlight, they publish a new Nostr event which people can zap. People are incentivized to find the most valuable quotes because people like getting zapped.
If people see highlights they find valuable, they’ll come check out the full version of the show notes and subsequently watch/listen to the episodes, in addition to searching the transcript for their own highlight-able material (more zaps ensue). Maybe they even use the transcript as they listen to the episode and highlight as they go. Who knows?!
As a content creator, I now have a new way to discover what parts of the episode speak to people most because I can see what people choose to highlight, and which highlights people choose to zap. This helps me decide which parts of an episode will make for the highest-signal short-form video clips, and of finding fire quotes I may have missed on my first pass-through. The highlights become a way to crowdsource signal and filter noise.
The episodes become more interactive as new conversations pop up around Nostr based on different highlights. Nostr events are created, thoughts are provoked, zaps are zapped, sats flow, community grows, and my episodes of THE Bitcoin Podcast get more visibility. #GrowNostr ?
Thanks to Zap Splits, I can add my podcast guests to a split list, ensuring that any zaps I received are also shared with them (which I did for HODL and Cason on this long-form note).

Anyway, that’s enough chit chat for now. Let’s see if this works or if it’s just a late-night idea that doesn’t seem as smart in the morning.

The full transcript of the episode is below, in addition to some of the quotes I pulled already (feel free to highlight the shit out of them). But first, here are the links to watch/listen to my conversation with Hodl and Cason:

EXTREMELY HIGHLIGHT-ABLE QUOTES

Erik Cason “Look, you dumb motherfuckers, you could have just doubled your fucking wealth over the last year, had you just shut the fuck up and been like, ‘maybe I’m poor and working at a dead end job that I fucking hate because I don’t understand how money actually works. And maybe these Bitcoin guys who have made some money and some self-independence for themselves, maybe they have a point.’ But instead they go, this is a far right Psyop that’s being played in order to try to destroy the wonderfulness of modern monetary theory. And the government needs to be able to print out money because how else can we spread the love and make sure that all people everywhere are always equal and have all of the equal opportunity always, particularly the brown people that we want to bomb out of existence because, you know, they need to use my fucking pronouns. And that’s why we’re bombing the shit out of them is because they’re hateful, racist pieces of garbage that, you know, and then, and then there’s just like the like, well, like fuck Israel, we can’t like support them. But like Ukraine is great. Or the people doing the opposite one. I’m like, what, like, why the fuck is the red or the blue people telling you to bomb the right people?

HODL (50:34.642) You can just do things. You don’t have to wait for anybody. Nothing’s decreed. Like, listen, fiat is a fucking disease of the mind. That’s what it is. And every currency on earth that’s not Bitcoin is fiat. Ethereum is fiat. Solana is fiat. Tether is fiat. They’re all fiat, okay? And then obviously all the fiat currencies are fiat. But fiat is not just affecting the monetary supply and material goods like iPhones and shit. No, fiat affects YOU. It affects your mind. It affects the way you think. You think that the world is decreed to you from scribes on high. It’s not. The world is built by people that get out and build the fucking world. So if you want to do something, just go do it. Get politically active if you want to be politically active. Build a business if you want to build a business. Build a family if you want to build a family. Build an estate if you want to build an estate. Go to Mars if you want to go to Mars. Fucking just go do it. Do what you want to do. That is the Bitcoin story. Not by decree. No one tells you to do it. You decree it. You fucking decree it. You go out and do what the fuck you’re gonna do in the world. That’s what we’re doing here in Bitcoin.

HODL “The state condemned a man to slow death, double life imprisonment. And we said, ‘no, you don’t get to do that.’ We got to rewrite the rules of the game as the game was being played. And it shows that we don’t have to just sit there and take it.”

Erik Cason (01:01:49.037) the world fucking needs Americanism right now. Like shit is fucked up and there needs to be a renewal of this American spirit that pushes out into the world that, you know, is what 1776 was about, which was a global revolution that then swept through Europe because they’re like, yo Europeans, look, we just like fucked up the British empire and we earned our own rights by fighting these assholes. Would you like that? They’re like, yeah, this like monarchy shit is bullshit. Let’s, let’s fucking fight. And I hope that we’re going to see a renewal of that same spirit that we’re going to fight back against our federal government and their surveillance in the deep state and that we’re going to push that shit out numb into Europe and that the Europeans are going to be like, yeah, you know what? turns out getting asked fucked by our government and getting global surveillance through a CBDC is bullshit. Let’s fight these motherfuckers.

HODL That is the Bitcoin story. Not by decree. No one tells you to do it. You decree it. You fucking decree it. You go out and do what the fuck you’re gonna do in the world. That’s what we’re doing here in Bitcoin.

TRANSCRIPT: AMERICAN HODL x ERIK CASON

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (00:00.07) ground audio, but the new Macs do it like really fucking well shockingly, which is honestly quite nice. Okay. We are allegedly live on zap.stream. So I’m just going to fiddle with this for a second. Let’s see here. But yeah, we were, Eric, we were just discussing that hodl is basically on team no sleep right now. and has been, yeah, just

HODL (00:01.4) Mm-hmm.

Erik Cason (00:07.304) It’s just.

Erik Cason (00:11.184) Alright.

HODL (00:24.418) Well, ever since they stole the 2020 election, you gotta stay up all night now.

Erik Cason (00:24.72) Are you?

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (00:29.668) It’s true. You got to keep them in check.

Erik Cason (00:32.525) So is this like a young children thing or is this like your brain is all spun out from

HODL (00:38.808) No, this is was it. No, it’s because I was at Bitcoin mags live stream for like 12 hours yesterday and I didn’t get home until like, you know, 1 30 a.m. and then I fucking didn’t go to sleep until 2 a.m. And then because I have young children, I was up at 5 a.m. So it’s like, you know, good times.

Erik Cason (00:54.893) Good. No, I… My sleep got absolutely fucked a couple nights ago, because like I was like, I’m gonna stay up a little late and watch a movie. And then my brain was like, yeah, you want to stay up fucking late, asshole? How about you fall asleep at 4 a.m.? So this last night I was like, you know what? Like this shit isn’t worth it anymore. Like I’m a fucking adult. I’m going to bed at nine o’clock. I’m going to get up at six o’clock and like work out and do all my like adult shit because…

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:07.735) how you like that.

Erik Cason (01:18.866) I’m just like fucking sick. Like I could do that shit when I was in my 20s, but like that’s a long ways away from now. So now I gotta like take care of my body or it’s gonna fuck me up.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:30.62) it’s I was out. I was fishing like this whole weekend, like a dude’s trip with my, dad and my father-in-law and like some other older dudes. And just like, yeah, we were fishing, fishing for steelheads. It was a wonderful time. My first time fishing for steelheads had a fucking blast, but like you’re out in the river all goddamn day. And by the time we got back, like, and I was like the young buck of the group and still I’m like, 7 P.M. It’s about time to turn in like, fuck.

Erik Cason (01:42.099) Drop.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (02:00.591) But yeah, so I feel your pain. But then last night I got home from the trip and like was watching MSNBC for fun and stayed up until like three or something because I was.

HODL (02:08.802) Yeah. did either of you watch the view this morning? It was, it was so good. I would highly recommend it. Well, they start whoopee Goldberg starts off with tears in her eyes and she’s trying to be magnanimous and she, she goes, yeah, let’s talk about, let’s get into it. And then she passes it to Joy Behar and Joy Behar holds it together for like,

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (02:13.572) No.

Erik Cason (02:13.819) No, like-

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (02:19.915) Describe it.

HODL (02:35.832) 90 % of the time and she’s like, you know, we got it. It was a fair election and we got it just but he’s a racist and then they just like rescinded. It’s a full struggle session. It was amazing. Like honestly, it could have been pay-per-view. I would have paid $75 to watch it. It was one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen. It was amazing.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (02:47.081) my god.

Erik Cason (02:56.683) So like, what are they gonna do now other than just like malfunction and have a hard time? Like I’m just really enjoying getting to like sit in this space and being like democracy is super great, isn’t it? Isn’t it wonderful that we elected a fascist Hitler who’s waited for his second term to implement the genocide against all of the people that are you? And they’re like, the demogood, so I’m really.

HODL (03:20.024) Yeah.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (03:24.54) The glitching is real right now. you almost feel bad, or I would almost feel bad, if the people who are glitching, like, were glitching right now, weren’t so insufferable for so long. Like, I would almost feel bad, you know what I mean? But I’m not quite there yet.

HODL (03:40.049) Yeah, yeah. No, I don’t feel a shred of guilt about anything. I’m just laughing at all the memes. It’s hilarious.

Erik Cason (03:42.172) One.

Erik Cason (03:47.146) Like look, like fuck this voting and democracy nonsense, but like I’m, really enjoying these liberals that have used the last four years to try to cram all this fucking nonsense down everybody’s throat and now have to deal with like the reactionary against that. in addition to the fact of that, like it’s about fucking time. Like the last, the last four years were like really fucking wacky. And like we had, we, we still have this geriatric prison. Like what the fuck happened to Joe Biden? Did he just like vanish? Like what?

HODL (04:08.6) Mm-hmm.

Erik Cason (04:16.862) It’s just so weird to me in that, like in the meanwhile, the whole liberal machine keeps marching on being like, like this is, so anyways, I’m just excited to watch this whole thing kind of break down and crash into flames and see what happens.

HODL (04:31.128) I woke up feeling just proud of America. And the reason I was proud of America is not because America voted the way I wanted them to vote, which they did, like in a landslide victory. The reason I was proud of them, proud of the feeling of being American was that propaganda doesn’t work on us. You tried to Psyop us and we just aren’t fucking having it.

Because being an American means doing whatever the fuck we want and you are not allowed to tell us what to do. That’s the feeling, that’s the energy I woke up with. Like, the American people are exactly who I thought they were. You know, it’s like that meme. They are who we thought they were! They are who we thought they were! You know, it’s like, the American people are who I thought they were and they’re just as fucking wild and untamed and fucking crazy.

and individualistic as I’ve always expected and needed them and wanted them to be and known that they were and I just fucking love it. I love seeing the results come in and then the people who are the professional propagandists, the Joe Scarborough, the MSNBCs, the Rachel Maddows, the Whoopi Goldbergs, right? Professional paid propagandists go, I can’t believe calling them racist garbage didn’t work. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck all of you. Fuck you.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (05:51.245) It’s fucking insane.

Erik Cason (05:51.287) Well, it’s interesting because like it’s a it’s this really reactionary hateful thing where and it’s like super hypocritical where it’s like, fuck you, you racist piece of goddamn shit. Like you need to go into the fucking concentration camp and be brutally raped and tortured because you won’t tolerate other people. You fucking sick fucking pig. And it’s like, you know, maybe there should be some self reflection here about some of those things you said and are expressing and like

HODL (06:20.642) Yeah.

Erik Cason (06:20.715) I don’t know, like this is the thing that I’ve been trying to deal with kind of in the liberal bubble I’m in. It’s like, hey, do you guys think that like all the hatred and vitriol that you’re directing at white people and about like how useless men are and that they really obstruct everything that could have ever been done that’s good might have a little something to do with this. In addition to like, perhaps we’re in the position that we’re in because of the way that you keep shitting on all these people that actually

might have some degree of value to society. And I’m not saying they’re better or worse than anybody, but maybe trying to direct all your hate towards them could have something to do with the outcome that came here as opposed to you being like, hey, these people, we’d like to include them in the fold rather than just kind of doing the reverse hate thing. But you know, I don’t know. I’m not, I’m not a politician.

HODL (07:07.96) Yeah.

It’s tough to tell people like, you know all that shit that’s in your head? That’s not real. It’s just not real. None of it. You made it up. You’re living in magical fairy princess land. Okay. And what I would, what I would want you to do is form a hypothesis and test it. You know I mean? Like experiment. Are you in magical fairy princess land? Can you fly? You know what I mean? Maybe you start on the ground first. Don’t jump out of a window, but like, you know, maybe test your flap your wings little, see if it works.

If it doesn’t, maybe we have the wrong hypothesis. I don’t know. Weird. Just be calling here.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (07:42.586) Whoa, that would require like critical thought though and actual self-reflection and like now they’ve just like they’ve gone the other way and they’re like well actually the black and Latinos are racist too and they clearly like and you’re like hold on hold on guys I was told because of the intersectional hierarchy that they couldn’t be Racist but but now they are racist and the Arabs to some of those Arabs We don’t like them the Cubans especially escaping communism coming here voting for a Republican. Who do they think they are? It’s ridiculous

HODL (07:53.748) Right.

HODL (08:00.876) They can’t be racist. Yeah, they can’t.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (08:12.804) Yeah, it’s fucking will there be any self-reflection though like any like moment of inward like looking inward to say Maybe we were kind of part of the problem, huh? Hmm

HODL (08:23.448) They’re nowhere close to being ready to deal with reality. In a sense, kind of like, it’s a huge miscarriage of American civil duty that’s happened because these people have been so badly brainwashed and Psy-op by the mainstream media, these professional state propagandists that you can’t help but feel a little bit bad for them. at the same time, mean,

There’s nothing to do but to get out of your echo bubble. you, the only person who can crawl out of Plato’s cave is you. And I don’t know how to explain to you that the shadows aren’t real. They’re just not real. And so like those of us who are out of the cave, we, we all talk about how retarded you all are in the cave, but we don’t know how to actually get you out of the cave. Cause every time we try and bring you out, you fucking bite us and go rabid, you know?

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (09:17.66) And we can literally tell you the cave exit is right there. This is where you need to go to get out of the cave. And they’re like, that exit looks not really like it’s inclusive. I don’t think I’m going to go out that way. Sorry, Kason. Go ahead,

Erik Cason (09:17.689) It’s a pretty sad situation overall.

Erik Cason (09:31.29) Well, like with it being at a Bitcoin all time high right now, like that, you know, is what I came on with is that like, look, you dumb motherfuckers, like you could have, you could have just doubled your fucking wealth over, know, over the last year, had you just like shut the fuck up and been like, maybe I’m poor and working at a dead end job that I fucking hate because I don’t understand how money actually works. And maybe these Bitcoin guys who have like made some money and some

self-independence for themselves, like maybe they have a point. But instead they go, this is a far right Psyop that’s being played in order to try to destroy the wonderfulness of modern monetary theory. And the government needs to be able to print out money because how else can we spread the love and make sure that all people everywhere are always equal and have all of the equal opportunity always, particularly the brown people that we want to bomb out of existence because

You know, they need to use my fucking pronouns. And that’s why we’re bombing the shit out of them is because they’re hateful, racist pieces of garbage that, you know, and then, and then there’s just like the like, well, like fuck Israel, we can’t like support them. But like Ukraine is great. Or the people doing the opposite one. I’m like, what, like, why the fuck is the red or the blue people telling you to bomb the right people? Regardless, like maybe you should just be upset that brown people are

you know, and in the case of Ukraine, white people too are getting blown up. Like the bombs are not racist. They will kill people whether they’re white or brown. And I don’t know, it would just be really great if people could be like, you know, maybe we should just kind of talk to people instead of murder them. But again, I’m not a politician. Maybe there’s something I’m missing here. Maybe they need to be murdered.

HODL (11:07.501) Yeah.

key on this is like the Bitcoin price as a lens by which to view the world. It’s like last night when I was watching the election results. I was at Bitcoin Magazine studio and they had all the boards up and all the stuff, you know, and I’m watching it all. It’s like the traditional media and I’m on my phone looking at the Bitcoin price and I’m like Trump’s gonna win. Like it just got bid in the markets. This is gonna happen. I now know the future ahead of traditional media.

And it’s the same thing with like, Polymarket was telling us Trump was going to win for months and months because people have been actually, you know, putting economic value behind those, those, you know, those votes that they’re making with their economic capital, right? And so, you know, if you’re listening to traditional media, you’re trying to do sense making that way and you have like, you know, the, poll, the Nate Silvers of the world, the pollsters telling you, Ann Seltzer telling you like, he’s going to win Iowa, whatever. they, these people have no skin in the game. So there’s no.

proof of work to their predictions. you need to, once you have proof of work as a lens, you as a Bitcoiner, look for it and see it and find it everywhere and anything that you can attach proof of work to, you realize that this is a real thing and you can bank on it. But I mean, people that don’t have that are doing everything proof of stake, right? Like they just don’t understand that reality that unfortunately they are living in. There’s nothing you can do about it. can’t.

You can’t escape that reality, right? Like you are inside that reality.

Erik Cason (12:42.853) Well, it’d be clear like, proof of stake as a methodology that’s like operable and like that’s called socialism. Like I can actually like hijack the government and be like, Hey, Mr. Musk, like, fuck you. We’re going to like steal all your shit. It’s like, cool. Like now that we did that guys, like how much more runway we have? They’re like, we have, we have four days. We got, we got four days to run the budget now. It’s like, it’s like the guy that’s

Wait, wait, the guy that’s getting us into space and like gave us like satellite internet and shit, like stealing everything from him got us four days of runway? And they’re like, yeah. So we’re out of time now. So who are we going to rob next? They’re like, that Amazon guy. Yeah, like fuck him. He’s like stealing from people and he’s hateful. It’s like, yeah. Why do you think he has better approval ratings than like the

and like everyone in like the US military. Like it seems like people really like him. They’re like, cause, cause he’s, he’s racist, right? So let’s steal his shit. And like, and like, that’s what proof of stake is about. It’s like, fuck these other people. We can like steal their shit and like remake the rules so that like stealing shit is okay when we steal shit for the right reasons.

And this is like the clusterfuck that’s Ethereum. Like if you’ve watched like what their monetary policy has been like since the fucking Dow fork that happened, it’s literally always been like, yeah, but like this is the one time it will ever happen. Well, maybe we’ll change it again. You know what? Fuck it. We’re just going to kind of do whatever we want. And like, that’s fine, but it’s not going to work out long-term and there’s going to be very severe fucking consequences. So you…

could learn about how economics works and it turns out that like, nobody likes being stolen from and it turns out like, if I can steal from you, I can steal from other people too. And that’s like a really big problem. So you should probably be invested in a system that goes, you know what? We’re not gonna steal from anybody ever. But what about Hitler and Pol Pot? And it’s like, yeah, it turns out that even fucking assholes, we like need to respect their right to property too.

Erik Cason (14:54.332) And they’re like, but if we do that, then like all of the racist and hateful people will win. And it’s like, you know, maybe you need to expand your worldview beyond thinking that everybody’s hateful and racist. And that’s kind of their main problem. By the way, like I’ve never actually, like when I was younger, I had a couple of friends, dads who were like pretty racist and stuff, but it was always this like, I don’t know. Like I’ve never met somebody who like really had as their like main thing. They’re like, yeah, but like, fuck the Mexicans and the black people. It’s it’s like usually like.

Yeah, but what about Habib? Like he was helping us out early and they’re like, well, yeah, he’s brown and that’s fine. But, I’m like, so you’re like, not really that racist. And they’re like, well, you know, they’re trying to take our jobs. And it’s like, well, but were you gonna, were you gonna do the gardening? And they’re like, well, no, fuck no. I ain’t gonna get wet today. It’s like, maybe he, maybe Jesus is pretty good at what he does, you know? I’m just saying.

I don’t think he’s taking your job. You don’t seem like you’re gonna be gardening in the ring. I’m just saying.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (15:57.544) I think so much this is like a it’s it’s it is a mirror right like What you see and everybody else tends to be more of a reflection of what you have going on in the inside? Than what is actually going on with them because you don’t fucking know them you have no way of knowing what they’re what their beliefs are whether or not they are a Giant bigot and a racist or whether they’re just some man or woman trying to live their life Put food in the table for their kids and not get just absolutely bent over a barrel by the government

which is like a reasonable thing. Like nobody really wants to be bent over a barrel by the government, right? But apparently if you push back against that too hard, you are given one of these labels. But then it’s like you have kind of this proof of concept here that this is just a reflection of what is going on in a lot of these, you know, bigot callers minds. When you see them say things like, you know, I can’t like why would all of these Latinos vote for their own deportation? It’s like, do you think the only Latinos in the country?

are here illegally? Like, is that what you think? That they’re voting for their own deportation? Like, there’s lots of Latinos here who came here legally, like a ton of them. And it turns out a lot of them were escaping the same sort of bullshit socialist verging on communist policies that you’re trying to push on them now. And then you turn around and call them racist because they didn’t agree with you. Like, it’s this insane

paternalistic projection and I like but again the sad thing is I don’t know if there is ever like a come to Jesus moment where they’re like you know what you know guys we went too far we were wrong I was was pretty messed up for a few years there huh we’re cool now let’s keep things civil we’re not gonna call everybody Nazis anymore especially you white lib or you white women you know you white suburban women you Nazis like it’s just like turns out calling everybody a Nazi is a really bad campaign move like

I don’t know who like how who could have known right shocking.

HODL (17:57.56) I think you guys are both being charitable and trying to diagnose them. I spent a lot of time trying to do that too, get into their heads and understand their psychology. How could you think this way? It’s so severely retarded. And now I’m just like, listen, we have now unfettered control of all three branches of government. it’s like, I don’t listen. At the Thanksgiving dinner table, I don’t pay attention to the conversation at the kids table. I don’t care what the kids are talking about. You know what mean? It doesn’t matter. It’s like…

What color crayon do you like? I don’t know. like burnt umber. That’s my favorite. Yeah. It’s like no, who gives a fuck? We’re at the adult table now and it’s about stacking wins on the board and you know, like for instance, mean, Trump is the first Bitcoin president. Vance owns Bitcoin. We now have the opportunity to like see real Bitcoin appointments be made where like people who are being recommended for high purchase of power

will be people that are sympathetic to Bitcoin, if not Bitcoiners themselves from an ideological standpoint. And to me, that’s the most fascinating thing that’s going on. And whatever like woke mind virus is like eating the brains of like the liberal white women we all know. I don’t give a single fuck like drink your Chardonnay bitch and like hopefully it cures it. I don’t know what to tell you, you know, take some ivermectin.

Erik Cason (19:11.977) Well, it’s funny because I have a good friend who like, you know, he’s like, deep barrier roots. So like everybody is like very, very liberal. And like he’s a bit of the black sheep of family. So he, you know, he was like, I’m going to vote for Trump. And this, this is like very upsetting to his family. And like, you know, everyone was getting outraged with him. And he was like, look, he was like, look, like the only way we get to talk about politics now is like, you have to steel man my position. Like you don’t get to come to me and be like,

But Trump’s like a racist bigot. Like you need to actually come to me and be like, well, perhaps you want to elect Trump because like you feel different about economic policies or whatever. And I’ve found like, this is the best way to actually like force people to, like think in a meaningful way. Cause like, otherwise they’ll do the same bullshit with you. But I’ve found like it really glitches people pretty hard. Cause I can be like, look, like I, I understand your position. Like you think Kamala as being the first black woman president.

is really going to create policies that champion and allow for, you know, people of various and diverse backgrounds to be able to have a real leg up in America. Totally hear that. I have a fundamentally different position that I don’t believe that that actually helps people in a unique way. And I actually think there’s a very discreet kind of racism that’s going on with that. When you say, Hey, we need to give reparations to black people.

because they’re not good enough to be able to compete with the white people. It’s like, they’re, you know, like I see something a bit racist in that. And like, again, I’m not trying to take away from that. There, there can be good reasoning behind that, but you know, particularly living in the state of California where this has actually been proposed as like a meaningful bill seems pretty fucking racist to me to steal a bunch of money from me and give it to a bunch of, of, you know, people, you know, I think in this case, just black people that are going to be getting that.

money directly when as far as I know they directly were not enslaved by me or my ancestors and I’m not sure what their relationship is to it either. I’m saying the with Kamala Harris like black woman this is this you know great that if she was elected that she would be the first black woman but let’s be very clear she’s not like African-American she’s a Jamaican woman that’s where she’s descended from and again like doesn’t take away from the fact that that is would be the first black woman president but

Erik Cason (21:35.851) She is not an African-American and that’s a bit misleading to kind of do that whole pitch. But most people are really uninterested in this just because they have a deep vested interest in what their emotional capacity is. And that’s one of the things I’ve found deeply disturbing about a lot of liberal ideology is that like if something feels right, that means that like that is right. And when you try to pick that apart, they go, well, that’s racist. And that doesn’t feel like if I’m, that doesn’t feel good. So we can’t be that.

And like it turns out that like maybe there’s a little bit of racism you have going on there with, you know, wanting to steal money from white people and give it to all the other people. Just saying.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (22:16.397) It’s you know, it’s you mentioned like this friend who’s bucking the trend in his Bay Area family, right? And something I just think is so genuinely sad is that we are at a place right now and and I’m sure you know people could come up with examples of like well in the Civil War families were broken up over that and it’s like, okay, let’s not please let’s not compare the two the two moments in time, but the fact that people will literally stop speaking to their family basically, you know, diso you know disavow them like well my

My mom voted for Donald Trump. And so I can’t I just I won’t speak to her anymore. I can’t possibly because it turns out even though this woman loved me and raised me my entire life and made so many sacrifices for me and did everything she possibly could to give me every advantage I could have. She’s a racist bigot. And it’s like people will literally stop like I’m sure you guys know people like I can think of a number of people within circles. I run it like off the top of my head that level like nope.

I won’t be talking to them anymore. Like I like I’m out, you know, no more family Thanksgiving for me. I can’t be around this racism. No more Christmas. I you’re not going to see your grandchild. I don’t know any of those examples personally out of no more grandchildren time. That’d be like especially fucked up. But the point is like how do you have so much hate in your heart that you cannot you cannot get over the fact that somebody that you love and that loves you may have a slightly different opinion than you.

And that the fact that their opinion is different is so offensive to you that you would break apart those ties that bind you for a fucking political candidate, for a fucking agent of the state apparatus. That is fucking insane. Like that truly blows my mind and I think that is really sad. If somebody by some chances listened to this who’s like, well I haven’t talked to my uncle Jim in two years because he voted for so-and-so on either side of the fucking aisle. Who cares?

Like you should be able to argue the most with the people you love the most. Because no matter what, at the end of the day, you guys fucking still love each other. Get the fuck over it. You’re going to have disagreements. It’s OK. That’s a beautiful thing. And you should have people that challenge you.

Erik Cason (24:25.621) What?

It’s both about like a first of all, it’s about like a really weak frame of individual reference that that that’s very frankly, callow at the bottom. Because like if you you have to identify so strongly with a political party or a movement that that becomes definitive about you and that like you you need to break with other people because they’re disagreeing with it. Because like, look, like I’m clearly like a freak Bitcoiner and like everyone in my life doesn’t agree.

with the Bitcoin thing, despite the fact that they’ve seen me have very, very fat gains while they have lost lots of money. And I think that’s sad and unfortunate. And like, I’m always like waiting, you know, at the dinner table at Thanksgiving for them to be like, so Eric, like Bitcoin’s at an all time high. Like we were all totally fucking wrong and we could have, you know, doubled our portfolios had we actually listened to you. But like, nope, never fucking happens. And at best I try to bring up the Bitcoin thing.

Wow, like the, just don’t understand this money thing. So how was the game last night? And I’m like, you you could like, you could have actually like rolled that into like a question being like, so Eric, like what is money? Like why is Bitcoin actually different from the dollar? Cause I don’t understand and you seem to get it. But yeah, that never happens. And I find it pretty sad and unfortunate. And like the other one is like.

I’m still open to Bitcoin being fucking wrong. I’m certain it’s not. I mean, like if you happen to be a top tier world cryptographer and you’re like, check it out. There’s this error in the sub 256 curve that was chosen. And turns out the whole thing’s fucking broken. You know, I’d probably contact the US military first and like let them know and understand that fucking encryption standards don’t work. I just find it pretty fascinating how deep.

Erik Cason (26:19.241) Most people have fled into the them and like they don’t actually have a definitive idea of who and what they are, their purpose in the world. that they’re like much more interested in making sure everybody feels comfortable and safe rather than making a little bit of discomfort in a conversation that might force some thought and growth. Cause like, again, I don’t want to be a fucking asshole, but

Why don’t we think real hard about how things are going and what we would really desire for ourselves and others? And like, I don’t know. It’s, I know this Thanksgiving is going to get interesting with people being like, that hateful bigot Trump, he was elected and he’s going to destroy America now. I’ll be like, yeah, like it was pretty bad when Hitler was elected for the second non-consecutive term. And when he really made the choice to go after all of his political opponents at that point in time, that was a really weird.

time in history, huh guys? And they’re like, yeah.

HODL (27:13.932) Yeah, remember, remember Hitler’s bipartisan coalition, you know, like the Tulsi Gavrids of the Weimar Germany were joining up with Hitler like, no, it’s so stupid, dude. I think if we take it at face value, everything Eric said is and Walker said is true. But like, you know, I think a lot of these things are just that family members just really don’t fuck with each other for deep, deep familial reasons like trauma, trauma reasons. And they’re using the

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (27:24.998) you

HODL (27:40.93) the Trump thing is a convenient excuse, right? Rather than going to therapy and like hashing out their shit or having a frank and honest conversation. I mean, I have family members in my life who, you know, I’ve had these frictions with and the truth is like, our relationship was never good. It goes deep to the psyche of both individuals in the conflict. It relates back to our grandparents and their site and you know, it just goes back and back and you’re like.

Okay, so I actually I’ve been like cast in a play here of like some deep familial trauma and I’m not even like really aware of what’s going on and neither is the other participant. We just know that we don’t like each other and then you have this flashpoint of Donald Trump’s election in 2016 or in 2024 or whatever and then that becomes the the way to fissure like it creates the fissures in the relationship and whatever. So I think I think that’s a lot of what’s going on. But I also think that you know more on the

the topic that you were saying about, you were trying to talk to all these people and they wouldn’t listen or whatever. I went through this myself and what I realized is that I had survivor’s guilt. So I needed to fix them for me, had nothing to do with them. It was all about me. It had to do with my own feelings of inadequacy around not being able to save my own mother from her psychological issues. And then when I realized that I was like, okay, I can just stop doing that.

because it’s not serving the other person. I thought it was my way into being a good person. Like I’m a good person. I care about these people. I really want to help them and whatever. But the truth is man that there are people with a growth mindset and there are people without a growth mindset. And I’m a person with a growth mindset. I want to continue growing in life and doing, you know, cause there’s no, there’s no stasis in nature, right? That’s nature abhors a vacuum. Like there is no stasis.

everything’s in constant flux. It’s constant chaos and you’re, basically either growing or decaying, right? That’s how nature works. And so we are a part of nature. That’s how we work. Also, that’s how we work psychologically, but for some reason, people don’t think or believe this and they like to, you know, have this sort of delusion that they’re, they’re a static element in a static system. makes no sense to me. And I can’t stand people who are like that and I don’t want to be around them. So for me, after I realized the survivor’s guilt thing, I was like, okay, yeah.

HODL (29:58.432) I don’t want to be around people that don’t have a growth mindset. And so now I just am not. So if you don’t have that, if you don’t think that way, I’m just not around you, bro. I don’t know what you got going on and I don’t care. And I wish you well. I hope you get out of it, but fuck off.

Erik Cason (30:13.977) Yeah, I’ve, you know, it’s taken me a while to learn it, but particularly family, it’s as much as like, really want like deep connecting conversation and for like us to understand each other and for them to like meet me where I’m at. They have like zero fucking interest in that. Like they really want to talk about the weather, like anything that’s like level one, maybe level two, but like level three, fuck no.

and it took me a long time to like button up against that wall being like, what, like, why aren’t you guys turned on? Like, why don’t you like, you know, I’m like, like COVID was like a great example of like trying to bring that stuff up and like lots of big conflict coming up. And it hurt me for a long time because I was like, why don’t they want to understand me? Like, this is so difficult. I want to be loved in the way I want to be loved. And like, I finally just kind of got to the place of like, like this is their shit.

HODL (30:50.104) Mm-hmm.

Erik Cason (31:04.262) they’re incapable of it. And like the more I rock the boat, the more that they’re going to resist it, making capsize more likely. And like, I just need to be okay with doing the level one and level two thing with them. And the truth is I can, I can do level eight, nine, 10 shit with you guys. And like that’s frankly, like that’s why I really fucking love the Bitcoin community is cause like I can have real and sincere conversation where we actually think hard about shit and go deep and enjoy that. And like that’s.

Kind of what friends are supposed to be for. Family can be for, you know, just loving them for who they’re meant. you know, I love my mom, really great person. I’m never going to have a deep and thoughtful connecting conversation about the political nature of world and our reality with her. Gonna have a really great conversation about how beautiful the sky is. But, you know, that’s about as far as it can go. And that’s okay.

And so I just, I really welcome people who are going to go into this Thanksgiving ready to fist fight everybody. Just like eat like a fucking marijuana brownie before that. And just like enjoy staring at the vase or some shit. Like it’s not worth fighting your family and their stupid ideas of what they believe is right. Cause the other is like, if you’re a Bitcoiner, like it’s pretty clear that the next cycle is getting pumping right now.

And so anybody who is even remotely smart in your family is going to come to you when Bitcoin’s at $120,000 at Thanksgiving and be like, hey, you know, you like made like some money with this, right? And you can be like, yeah, I’m like really fucking high, but yeah, I made some money with this. And they’ll be like, could you, could you tell me a bit about that? And maybe that’ll be your opening. Don’t, don’t expect it, but

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that with what the Trump team is up to, they’re about to like front run destroying the entire financial system. Cause that’s like, that’s kind of their MO. They’re like good with this money shit and they all clearly hold Bitcoin and they’re clearly going to be appointing people. So, look, like I’m not telling you what to do, but like, if you like money, you should probably buy Bitcoin and keep holding it for awhile. Cause I’m pretty sure it’s going to keep going up for awhile here.

Erik Cason (33:15.035) Although there is some fucking moron right now who’s absolutely gonna slam their hand in the door and be like, it’s going back to 15k. No way the bit going to keep up with this.

HODL (33:23.881) 58K is a lost universe. Otto said it’s not static. Bullshit. 58K, stable coin, static, static system.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (33:31.261) To fair, I love the 58k meme and I am guilty of using it so much, but now I’ve also implemented the 158k meme because it looks almost the same to the the unseeing eye. You just see 58k, but there’s a one in there.

HODL (33:43.128) Why not, why not 250 AK? Why not 350 AK? Why not 950 AK? Why not 1.258 K?

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (33:48.17) Jesus I hadn’t even gotten that far fuck why not

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (33:55.421) 5.8 you know, like fuck it. Let’s let’s roll it up. So first of all, I appreciate you guys because you and I appreciate that we can have level eight and nine conversation, maybe someday a level 10. I don’t know how high these levels go. So like how the scale works exactly, but I appreciate that there exist people that we can have these kinds of fucking talks with because it’s you’re right. It’s not always within the family. Sometimes it is. And that’s very fortunate, but like

If that’s not you out there listening like that’s okay, too Like you know, that’s why that’s why you’re in Bitcoin, right? Because you can go meet with a bunch of other strange people who want to talk about how fucked up our monetary system is like ad nauseum and like are Super fucking down with that and that’s a beautiful thing But I’m curious cuz cuz Eric you mentioned just like the Trump team MO being Go in and kind of like fuck shit up a little bit in the in the financial system. Do you think?

Do you think, okay, like Trump is on board with that? Like, is Trump gonna go full on end the Fed? Like, is Ron Paul coming on here and we are fucking burning this thing down? Or is Trump, like, he’s, I don’t know about your, like, the vibes you’ve gotten from, but he seems more measured lately. Like, maybe it’s, you know, almost getting assassinated. Maybe it’s just a little, you know, couple extra years. Maybe it’s Barron being nine and a half feet tall standing next to him. And he’s like, you know what? I’m not the biggest guy in the room anymore. I don’t know. We’re like,

Where do you think we go? Where is Trump at on this? And do you think the team he’s assembling is actually going to go in there and be like, no, we’re going to bring the Fed down?

Erik Cason (35:34.077) I think from the standpoint, it looks like that’s a possibility, but like I, I am very, very deeply convinced that like, the deep state is absolutely and unequivocally in control. And there’s no conceivable fucking way that anybody in any elected or any appointed position can like meaningfully stop any of this. Cause like, I, I can’t really imagine the powers that be in the back room are like, you guys, they let, like got the right people in the right position to like do stuff like.

What are we gonna do now? And they’re like, dang, guess we lost. We just gotta accept it. So no, and I think Ron Paul and Elon Musk and all the people who get in right position, they are absolutely going to try their best to do stuff. And then I’m pretty sure none of it’s gonna happen. Same thing, totally holding my breath that Trump keeps his word about freeing Ross day one. Gonna be mum on the word until then. If it doesn’t happen, I’m not gonna be shocked.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (36:28.371) Yeah.

Erik Cason (36:32.094) If it does happen, I will be the first to give alkylates to where they’re due because that would be phenomenal. My hope is that everybody who’s really full all the hopium of all this stuff will see the next two years play out. Very little will actually change in terms of it. Yeah, that’s when I’m gonna launch my radical states rights movement to use the states to unilaterally fuck up the federal government.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (36:40.764) Amen.

HODL (36:59.272) Dude, let’s talk about the Ross thing for a second because did anyone have more on the line yesterday than Ross Ulbricht? No. Like, mean, Ross Ulbricht’s life hung in the balance. was double life, rot in a prison cell for all eternity until you die and are taken away in a casket or freedom in three months, freedom in two and a half months. I mean, that’s a fucking crazy

crazy thing that he had to live through, you know, the potential that either one of these outcomes, was like, everyone was saying it was a 50-50 toss up between these outcomes. And luckily, we’re in the good timeline. And, you know, I was hanging out with the production crew when I was at this thing last night, and, you know, basically they were asking me like, why do you guys all care so much about Ross? And I said, listen, Ross’s story is a miscarriage of justice.

and Ross didn’t deserve double life. did do something wrong. He did deserve some prison time. Like, that’s just how it is. I know, like, the anarcho-capitalist would be like, no way, bro, but it’s like, come on. I mean, we have a society that has rules. He broke the rules. Like, he does a little time. But he’s, at this point in life, he has paid his, whatever debt he owed to society has been more than paid. He just created a website. He never hired hitmen. All that is bullshit. The man who allegedly,

he hired to have killed supports him as a vocal supporter of Ross Ulberg. I mean, you’ve been lied to about this case, the agents, the federal agents on the case were dirty. They were they were stealing. Yes. Yeah, FBI. Yep.

Erik Cason (38:33.375) Like all of them from different agencies, like every single motherfucking federal agent in that goddamn agency stole money, like it’s fucking insane. And most of them like got off the hook too. And this is what I’m so fucking angry about is the hypocrisy of

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (38:34.759) Yeah.

HODL (38:43.352) Yeah, they did last time that Ross last time that Ross exactly. No, and I mean what I’m saying is like this is this case is a miscarriage of justice and Ross deserves to be free and he will be free in two and a half months. I’m not one of these Bitcoiners who’s like we’ll see bro. We’ll see if Trump does it like no, no, he’s he’s gonna be free. It’s a campaign promise. We put up serious money and we went to bat for Trump and now we’re gonna get Ross out and the reason it’s important to us is what I told the production crew.

is because yes, all those things are truths of miscarriage of justice, et cetera. But what it shows is that we are ascendant politically, that we matter, that we’re important. Things weren’t supposed to happen this way. And then they happen this way. The state condemned a man to slow death, double life imprisonment. And we said, no, you don’t get to do that. We got to rewrite the rules of the game as the game was being played. And it shows that we don’t have to just sit there and take it. mean, imagine the timeline where Bitcoin goes to zero.

In that timeline, Ross rots in prison for the rest of his life. But we’re in the good timeline where Bitcoin is at 76k and Ross is free in two and a half months. And I mean, it just shows that we are going to be players in the world. You’re not going to be off in the woods with your cold card shoved up your ass. I mean, if you want to do that, like that’s fine. Like get freaky. It’s okay. Bitcoin is about freedom, but

Erik Cason (40:03.294) You should really consider a ledger if you’re doing that, you know.

HODL (40:05.41) Go like that, open your eyes. Yeah, don’t, the cold card is very square. Listen, you want to shove it up your ass, you be my guest, okay? But we’re going to be playing.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (40:05.901) Yeah, for real.

Erik Cason (40:14.43) I really need to make a buttplug that is specifically designed for this.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (40:18.076) How has no one made that yet? That’s my question.

HODL (40:19.544) I know right. We are going to be players in the world and we’re going to have political power. And we’re also going to make some butt plugs. Okay. That can accept a leg.

Erik Cason (40:25.255) seed taker.

Erik Cason (40:32.606) You want your engraved butt plug? Please read each other.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (40:37.95) We’re thinking of spinning up a little, a little shop for them. They’re going to be super nice. Hypoallergenic, course, really smooth on entry. Not so much on exit. Cause you don’t want that thing coming out necessarily, right? Like you got to keep it in there.

Erik Cason (40:41.129) You

HODL (40:43.224) I’m

HODL (40:51.938) Just to wrap that up, I’m happy for Ross and I’m happy for us. think like this is a big moment in Bitcoin’s history. Ross being for it is a big moment.

Erik Cason (41:02.625) Well, and and, you know, I’m on the opposite side. I’m going to hold my breath till it happens. And when it does, I’m, you know, that’ll bring you back in the fold from like crazy crypto anarchist land. Like I’m, might like move into like far right political activism or some shit. but it’s really important to get that, like, we’re an actual political force now. And like, I really hope that we’re going to start behaving like it and that there’s going to be like a real actual Bitcoin contingency because like,

HODL (41:09.698) Just fair.

Erik Cason (41:30.175) I actually think in the next four years, there’s a real fucking shot of ending the Fed. And like, I don’t think anybody inside the federal government will do it, but I do legitimately believe that like, if we got 35 states to push through their state legislature legislation to like end the Fed, that that shit would get amended to the constitution. And like the federal government would have to like flip the fuck out and figure out how to do that.

And I think it’s really important because like the federal government is so out of fucking control at this point in time. We really need to start figuring out new and different methodologies to change how that can happen. So I’m just excited to see all the change that’s happening and also like fucking 100K is like in play now. So it’s to be really exciting when we get there. I haven’t heard from Valis in like a year. Well, I’ve privately heard him from before, but like I hope his 100K party is still going to happen somewhere.

HODL (42:12.6) dude, 100k by Thanksgiving.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (42:21.727) Yeah, we’re whether I mean I don’t like to you know talk about price too much on this show because I’m not an open-mouthed YouTube shill But that being said caveat, you know, it is like above 70 say we’re like 76 200 right now that’s just like kind of a trip, you know, and I would I agree with you that like As I was watching the price last night again, I like I’ve been on the river these last like four days. I have like checked

Twitter a couple of times then I was like, nah, that’s not really of interest to me. Like I’m out in fucking nature catching fish hanging out with like my dad. Like that’s what I want to, this is what I want to be doing right at this moment. And, then I got back and of course I was like, yes, you know, like bring it in. And then, you know, stayed up until 2 AM watching MSNBC as one does, but like you could, you could feel something was happening and I think you can feel something is happening now. And I just wonder like,

HODL (43:00.93) Yeah.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (43:17.916) does Bitcoin like because I would say that Bitcoin is it is inherently partisan or excuse me it is inherently political it is not partisan right it is like money is always going to be political we’re talking about separating fucking money in state of course that is going to be political it is not inherently partisan it is only partisan if partisans make it partisan and that’s not to say the people that are pro Bitcoin are the partisans who are making it partisan it’s the ones on the other side who are reactionary to it right

HODL (43:25.804) Yes.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (43:46.343) So I’m just interested to see like, I mean, fuck like there, it’s a, it’s a red fucking wave. Like Trump blew out the popular vote. He’s got the mandate, right? He obviously won the electoral college. You’ve got a Republican majority in the house and the Senate by all rights. have no excuse not to do everything they claim they want to do. Right? Like they have, there’s no excuse.

HODL (44:04.704) interest rate. 100%. By the way, by the way, the Democrats going after us and brought and broader crypto markets was such in retrospect, such a massive unforced error on their part. There was no reason to make significant enemies of us. None. And all they did was suffer because of it. Now, like, I don’t know how much we affected the election.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (44:21.554) Yes.

HODL (44:32.62) But we affected it some non-trivial amount, okay? And it just, it wasn’t something they needed to do and they did it anyway because they were drunk with power. That’s why they

Erik Cason (44:43.022) I mean, they did it because like they believe their own retarded bullshit that they like they had literally pumped up their own ass intentionally where they’re they’re like, this is used for terrorism financing and it’s it’s so all the bros can get away with tax and like it was all bullshit that they just repeatedly kept convincing themselves like like the fucking Greenpeace nonsense and like the like I feel so bad for the guy that’s running that Twitter because like

Like all he does is tweet something and is immediately, like provided all of the evidence of how fucking wrong he is. And like the other thing that’s just so shameful is that like these people are supposed to actually like give a fuck about the environment and like, what’s more important than making sure that we’re actually getting clean hydro power from power plants that were going to be shut down otherwise, you know, like what’s more important to people in sub-Saharan Africa who have never had access to

fucking electricity and can’t have clean water and now they can. Like it’s, it’s just so disingenuous. And like, again, I would really hope that, you know, the Democrats would sit down and be like, wow, we like, we really fucked that one up. We should really like reconsider this. But, I very, very strong doubts that that’s going to happen. And it’s going to be really interesting to see kind of what the co what comes out of it. But yeah, I have a very strong expectation.

that they are going to continue to double down until essentially they fracture the Democrat party into like, there’s either gonna be a renewed moderated democratic movement or it’s gonna fracture out into like different parties. Either way, it’s gonna be fucking entertaining.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (46:26.386) Can I say something controversial guys? am, I am, I am glad Elizabeth Warren was reelected because honestly, I, she was, she was against what John Deaton, right? He was like the, yeah, he lost.

Erik Cason (46:28.546) No.

HODL (46:30.962) Yeah.

Erik Cason (46:36.254) was she?

HODL (46:41.1) Yeah, he lost. Yeah. He had an uphill battle. She’s very well funded in her state and Massachusetts is a liberal shithole.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (46:46.202) she is.

Erik Cason (46:47.973) Huh, where’d that money come from? That’s really interesting. Huh.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (46:50.723) from but he was funded by crypto lobbyists. But no, the reason I’m happy that Elizabeth Warren won is because I would have missed her. I would have honestly missed reply guying her all the time when she says stupid fucking useless shit like that would have left a little bit of a hole in me. And I don’t know how I would have filled it like I need something to butt up against. And like Pocahontas is the best.

HODL (46:55.65) Yeah.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (47:18.52) She’s just the best for that. it’s like when she talks about price gouging, I see Elizabeth Warren price gouging tweet. And I’m just like, yes, I know what I’m doing today. You know, like, it’s nice to have that. And like, I also think to your point, Eric, like, she is going to their and to your point as well, like unforced errors, she’s going to continue to fracture the Democratic Party. Because like, like one in fucking seven Americans owns Bitcoin, like owns Bitcoin.

This is according to the study that Troy Cross did. There’s probably a margin of error there. But even if it’s one in fucking five Americans, that’s already a shitload. And we are not even in like number go up mania yet where people are like, I probably need some of that. This is a growing coalition. And to fight against it is just like, first of all, you’re fighting against freedom and you’re just fighting against people from all walks of life. It’s not like these are just the crypto bros or all these, you know, like not every, you know,

Bitcoin bro is as fucking radical as case in over here, you know, and I mean that in honestly the most complimentary way possible just so know, Eric, but like that, like what the fuck are they fighting against? What are they anti your anti freedom? Your anti people being able to make decisions for themselves. But it’s like, like it’s like my body, my choice, like my fucking money, my choice. Fuck right off. Anyway, I’m so glad I was so glad she was reelected. That’s it. That’s

Erik Cason (48:25.289) Thank you, I appreciate that.

HODL (48:38.968) 100 % no, I was gonna I was gonna say the same thing you said which is that it’s such a it’s such a bipartisan like coalition multi racial like pluralistic like I mean Bitcoin is a large tent like the Orange Party is the largest tent we have politically and they did they made a large mistake going after us because you know, first of all, it’s like

Erik Cason (48:44.359) back in a minute, gentlemen.

HODL (49:06.604) Are you dumb? You’re going after young millennials with money who are multi- like racially diverse? The fuck is- are you stupid? Like what’s wrong? It doesn’t even make sense. It doesn’t even compute. But anyway, listen, there was a referendum on these people last night. I feel confident that this worldview is going to be dealt a hearty blow. And they’re gonna realize that, you know, there’s a new player in town and it’s the crypto lobby and the Bitcoin lobby.

And David Bailey in some non-trivial fashion was responsible for freeing Ross Ulbrich from prison or will be responsible for freeing Ross Ulbrich from prison and for getting Donald Trump elected. He made a significant, you know, mark dent on this election and he’s the MVP of Bitcoin in 2024. Like that goes to David Bailey, number one with a bullet. There’s no one else that even came close this year. And, you know, I think

It just reminds me, I was talking with David Zell about this last night that you can just do things. You can just do things. Whatever you want to do, you can just do it. Just do it. Elon wanted to affect the election. He just went out and rounded up a bunch of Amish people and drove them to the polls because the Amish can’t drive themselves to the polls. He was like, we will drive you to the polls. You hate the government, right? And the Amish were like, fuck yeah. They tried to shut down our raw milk and shit. And Elon was like, yeah, fuck that.

We will drive you there. Let’s all go vote. You can just do things. You don’t have to wait for anybody. Nothing’s decreed. Like, listen, fiat is a fucking disease of the mind. That’s what it is. And every currency on earth that’s not Bitcoin is fiat. Ethereum is fiat. Solana is fiat. Tether is fiat. They’re all fiat, okay? And then obviously all the fiat currencies are fiat. But fiat is not just affecting the monetary supply and material goods like iPhones and shit. No, fiat affects

You. It affects your mind. It affects the way you think. You think that the world is decreed to you from scribes on high. It’s not. The world is built by people that get out and build the fucking world. So if you want to do something, just go do it. Get politically active if you want to be politically active. Build a business if you want to build a business. Build a family if you want to build a family. Build an estate if you want to build an estate. Go to Mars if you want to go to Mars. Fucking just go do it. Do what you want to do.

HODL (51:31.916) That is the Bitcoin story. Not by decree. No one tells you to do it. You decree it. You fucking decree it. You go out and do what the fuck you’re gonna do in the world. That’s what we’re doing here in Bitcoin.

Erik Cason (51:52.808) the to elaborate on your point, like, this fucking disease has rotted out 95 % of all of the creative potential of people everywhere. And it’s great to see that that 5 % is making the change for the other 90%. Like, what we’re seeing being developed in this entire system is fucking phenomenal. And people are not asking for fucking permission anymore. And I really hope between what we’re seeing in Bitcoin, and the renewal of this American spirit that like,

Like one of the things I didn’t realize last night with that I was so excited about when I started watching the Bitcoin price go up and the markets go up. was like, yeah, like there’s this entire economic engine that’s sighing with relief now that they’re not going to get fucked out of existence by a socialist government that fucking hates them. And that maybe there’s real potential to actually create dynamic change. Like I actually, and I think it’s really interesting that people like this tariff thing’s going to destroy anything. Like fuck that, this tariff thing’s going to supercharge the fucking economy.

Like it’s gonna turn out that like people that are importing cheap shit from China and they have to pay twice as much, they’re gonna go, you know, maybe I’m gonna buy the American made thing where I’m not gonna have to pay twice as much for the same thing, you know? And like that’s a really great fucking thing. And I understand all the economic arguments about how tariffs work and otherwise, but like, let’s be clear, cheap shit from China that’s subsidized by slavery, like it’s not good for fucking America. You know what’s good for America? Shit made in America that paid American people.

HODL (53:17.067) huh.

Erik Cason (53:18.59) that give American salaries so that they can spend money in America. And like, not to get on the nationalistist thing, but like, the other thing is, like, the world fucking needs Americanism right now. Like shit is fucked up and there needs to be a renewal of this American spirit that pushes out into the world that, you know, is what 1776 was about, which was a global revolution that then swept through Europe because they’re like, yo Europeans, look, we just like fucked up the British empire and we…

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (53:30.43) Yes.

Erik Cason (53:47.21) earned our own rights by fighting these assholes. Would you like that? They’re like, yeah, this like monarchy shit is bullshit. Let’s, let’s fucking fight. And I hope that we’re going to see a renewal of that same spirit that we’re going to fight back against our federal government and their surveillance in the deep state and that we’re going to push that shit out numb into Europe and that the Europeans are going to be like, yeah, you know what? turns out getting asked fucked by our government and getting global surveillance through a CBDC is bullshit. Let’s fight these motherfuckers. And I would love to see more than anything.

See, a sincere German nationalist movement renew itself instead of them living in their fucking shame about Nazism and like, get that like that shit’s over guys and that like Germans, you actually have some like really great shit about your culture that if you guys can protect in a meaningful way, very similar to Americans and still be able to be inclusive with that ideal, like there’s something great to be done. But like living in all this shame about like, like.

we’re bunch of racist Nazis because we believe German culture is great is the same kind of bullshit that they’re trying to tell us about because you believe in America and what America means, it doesn’t mean that you’re a far right racist. It means that you’re a fucking American that believes in the real values and ethics of what it means to be American. So, you know, fuck this fiat bullshit, fuck CBDCs and it’s time for us to really start rebuilding in a meaningful and thoughtful way on top of a Bitcoin standard because that’s really an American standard.

HODL (55:00.344) Mm-hmm.

HODL (55:12.162) Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck No. No. No. No.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (55:12.479) fucking it. Fuck. Yeah, Wait, can we talk about Europeans for a second? Because like, wait, wait, just for one second. Cause have you noticed that the only people more confused about what happened in the U S election than the Democrats are the Europeans. They’re like, on. What do you, what do you mean? Don’t you understand? He’s mean and bad. And how sad is this? These Americans, how did like it’s it’s mind blowing. And then you’re like, God,

HODL (55:24.822) is the Europeans,

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (55:41.149) Like your point Eric like yeah, like I’m like so I feel like sometimes I went through the state like a stage in my life where I was like not I love America I love America because I love the fucking American idea and I love the American people and I love the possibilities that the existence of the American idea Allows for people in this country because it allows people to fucking create and build and do meaningful things but I went through a stage where I was like, you know, this is on my my Bitcoin journey where I’m also like

Well, but the fucking military industrial fucking war machine, the fucking the fucking fiat monetary colonialism that’s perpetuated by the IMF and the World Bank, like and the Federal Reserve. This is this is bad. Like and then I got to the point where naturally like five seconds later I was like, yeah, but that’s not America. Like that’s fucking institutions. That is US government institutions. Those are institutions of theft and destruction and death.

America is a fucking idea and it’s the people who hold that idea up and use it as their fucking torch to bring light into darkness and That is what I think people can get behind and I think you should be able to fucking get behind that Like I don’t give a fuck what political party you fucking identify with like this week or forever in your entire life like There I don’t know if you guys have heard anybody say this before but there is no red. There is no blue There is the state and there is you

Yes, there are meaningful differences in political parties. Obviously, there’s a difference between Kamala, like what Kamala’s administration would have been and what Trump’s will be. But ultimately, we are not a divided people. We are a people who are united around the idea that America is fucking amazing. That idea is fucking amazing. And we are going to be fucking damned if we will let the state usurp that idea for its own fucking death and destruction and theft. And I think

I hope that more people can get around that and realize that look we’re all on the fucking same side. There are two sides. It is the people the independent individuals and it is the state. There is no other side like there’s no there’s no other sides. You can color the horse a different color but like it’s still the state granted again. me caveat. There are some differences especially you get down to local governments. There’s a lot of difference but like we have so much more not to sound fucking cheesy.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (58:02.634) We have so much more that brings us together than divides us. And what brings us together is the idea that America is fucking special. And if it wasn’t for fucking America, Europe would be still have been fucked from those fucking German Nazis, actual Nazis. Like we have literally pulled Europe’s own head out of its ass so many times. And yet they still look at us like, well, these, you know, uncouth barbarians. It’s like, you know, fucking right. We’re uncouth and we’re fucking barbarians. And there’s a reason that you called us.

when you fucking got your panties in a twist and started murdering tr- like millions of people because you couldn’t handle it on your fucking own, you pansies. Like, I love- for any Europeans listening, I fucking love you because you’re listening to this and you obviously have a set of balls or maybe not balls, you know, you may be a lady European, but like, America is uniquely positioned to drive massive change in the world because of the American idea. That is what I would say.

HODL (58:58.392) The American, by the way, the thing that’s beautiful about America, the American ideal, what is it, right? Like people might not know, especially if you’re from Europe, the American ideal is I am the king of my own castle. I am, I am the captain of myself. Okay. I do not have to do anything that you want me to do. I am in charge of me. And if what I’m doing doesn’t harm anyone, I should be completely allowed. And I’m well within every right, my God given rights to continue doing that thing.

That is a new idea in the world. It’s a baby idea. It’s only 250 some odd years old and not quite 250 yet. It’s only about 250 years old. And we have to protect that idea because that’s the most important idea in the history of the world thus far. And every time I see Americans exercise it and say, a second. Sometimes Americans get caught up in this thing where they’re listening to people they shouldn’t be listening to.

You know, they’re to the television, Rachel Maddow or whoever, Joy Reid, Whoopi Goldberg. And then they go, wait a second, why? They just wake up and they go, why have I been listening to this bitch? What the fuck am I doing listening to this person? I’m just gonna do whatever the fuck I want. No! I’m doing what I want!

Erik Cason (01:00:18.705) Well, Hoddle’s out now because he did what he wanted. Look, these are really important.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:00:23.144) Wait, is your computer okay?

HODL (01:00:24.984) I didn’t mean to hit the computer, but it’s okay, it’s fine.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:00:28.072) I thought that was for dramatic effect.

Erik Cason (01:00:28.409) The, the, yeah, it was good. These are really important ideals and like, you know, to, reemphasize everything that you said, Walker, like it took me a long time on my own journey as an anarchist. So like, like I’m an, I’m an anarchist and I’m American. Like I fundamentally believe that Americans on a whole, like we have all of the same value sets. Like nobody wants to hurt other people. Nobody wants to be hurt. People want to respect each other’s right to private property. People want to see innovative and creative solutions and

and like let people be freaky and do what they are. And so like, I see reactions on both sides. It’s like, look, like if you want to be your gay transgender lizard or like whatever the fuck you want to identify as, like that’s fucking great. Good for you. Like do not come into the fucking schools and try to teach kids that shit. Like I’m uninterested in that. In fact, like why the fuck are we doing this school thing? Like if you look at the fucking department of education, you know what every single standard has been measured to do each year?

It goes fucking down. That’s what it does. It teaches kids to be fucking stupid little robots that can’t think for themselves. Like it, I find it deeply disturbing when I, when my son has friends that are in public school come over and like how fucking remedial they are and how much they, don’t, there’s a certain creativity that they really lack that I find fucking disturbing, you know? And also on the same side, like just cause people want to be weirdos and freaks don’t mean that we have to hate on them and remove their right to be fucking weirdos and freaks. It’s just like, don’t.

In the same way that like, I’m not going to put my shit in your face. Don’t put your shit in my face and don’t try to use public institutions to do that. There’s no fucking need. Same thing. Like I have no fucking interest in deporting people from this country just because they disagree with me on different principles. Like we need to learn to live in fucking peace and have a radical modernism between us because without that, they’re like that. That’s what America is all about is about being able to figure out.

How do we live with these ideals that allow for us all to flourish despite how different we are? know, like Europeans like take a fucking cue from us. Like, you know, like we, we figured out how to make this shit work. You guys are trying to model the same thing, but to be very clear, like what you guys are doing with the European Central Bank and the EU and shit, like this is not going to end well for you guys. And so I really encourage

Erik Cason (01:02:47.665) And like I’ve noticed this more coming from German specifically like you guys need to redouble in your own nationalism and so far of that like you guys are actual independent countries and you need to stop letting this fucked up institution that got created by a bunch of bureaucrats that told you that everything was gonna get better with it. You know like I have an uncle that’s lived in Berlin since the 1970s and he knows the conversion of when they went from the mark to the euro fucked everybody over super hard and that’s how it is kind of universally.

You guys should really consider taking back national sovereignty, destroying the European Central Bank, and probably, you know, the fact that the thing is ran by an actual fucking financial criminal who has been found guilty of financial crimes, that’s pretty fucking ridiculous. And it’s pretty ridiculous that you guys tolerate this bullshit being shoved down your throat from Brussels, so…

I really hope that you guys are gonna light shit on fire, cause like, when you guys commit yourself to burning shit down and like throwing shit at people and other stuff, you guys are really good at it. Like, into that. Like keep doing more of that. Like stop, stop with this other fucking nonsense. Cause you know, you guys are gonna get something pretty nasty out of it if you guys keep tolerating this bullshit.

HODL (01:04:03.836) You know what I think the difference between the European mind and the American mind is is that in Europe for you know, thousands of years, if you talk back to the nobility, they could kill you with impunity, right? And in America, one day we took a look at the nobility and we were like, fuck you. We just killed everybody, bro. You know, and so that’s different starting points, you know, inception.

Erik Cason (01:04:24.048) Yup, fun f-

Erik Cason (01:04:27.868) Fun fact is that there is an actual amendment to the United States Constitution that is still active to be ratified by states that if you are given a title of nobility in America, you will be stripped of all political rights and positions. think it was the, because there’s like three outstanding articles that could be ratified by states, like aren’t, like another is about like child labor. The other one’s article the first, which.

HODL (01:04:49.706) Yeah.

Erik Cason (01:04:53.424) I’ve had another great radical plan of like forcing state legislatures to ratify article the first to be, and it’s called that because it was the first article to ever be that passed through the congressional approval process. And it went to the States to get approved, but it was never approved. And what article the first stipulates is that no representative of the federal government shall ever represent any more than 50,000 people at a time. And to be clear, if that passed today, that would mean that the House of Representatives would be like,

7,000 people or some shit like that. So that would be really fun if we like got states to pass it just to fuck up the federal government. Cause this is my big thing that I want not only for Americans, but for Europeans and all people everywhere is that like, I believe very, very strongly it is about states, provinces and counties against their unified federal government. Like if you look at what’s going on in Spain right now, after the crisis that happened in Valencia and how much the federal government is absolutely fucking those people over.

This is where the real war is at. So I’d like to see more radicalism of states’ rights against federal governments across the board. And I think that would really help solve a lot of problems.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:06:02.717) Eric, you mentioned something earlier about, like, just speaking of states’ rights, that if, what was it, 35 states were to basically resolve internally, like, as independent states, that we should end the Fed, that the federal government would basically need to scramble. Can you elaborate on that a little bit more for those of us who are less constitutionally literate?

Erik Cason (01:06:20.71) Yeah, so this is all a hypothetical way to be able to ratify the United States Constitution directly using state legislatures only. Nothing has to go through the federal government and it is not supposed to have any oversight. This has never happened in American history because every single time that this method has been used to amend the Constitution, when it’s gotten within two or three states,

The federal government has essentially flipped the fuck out and Congress has passed that amendment to the United States with the same language directly so that this was all circumnavigated. There was a Supreme Court decision in 1908 that essentially said if states tried to do this, we wouldn’t recognize it. But like this is all about creating constitutional crisis because the 10th Amendment is very explicit and that any powers that are not enumerated to the federal government directly in the Constitution are reserved for states alone. So.

The whole idea would be essentially be go state by state, get the exact same language passed saying that we are calling on an Article 5 convention to amend the United States Constitution to end the Federal Reserve and that the federal government shall have no oversight whatsoever around the issuance of a currency. And in theory, it could pass. For me, the big goal is to get it past 33 states or something.

federal government’s gonna freak out. You’re probably gonna have the judicial branch being like, no, this is illegitimate. There’s no way to amend the constitution without the federal government. We’re gonna be like, Texas, what do you think about that? They’re trying to say that the sovereignty of your state and what you guys decide isn’t okay. Is that something you agree with? How do you feel about that, Nevada, Wyoming? Is this okay with you guys?

Cause for me, the big crisis that happened in America, which is where fiat money started in America was during the civil war. And as much as everybody likes to suck Abraham Lincoln’s dick and celebrate him as being a really great guy, good job with like ending slavery, but like you like really fucked up a lot of other stuff with what you did in that. Not to mention that like explicitly creating an amendment to the United States constitution that says that other people can’t have slaves, but the

Erik Cason (01:08:28.913) the state itself can have slaves is pretty fucked up. So with that, I really encourage everybody look into the Article 5 ratification process. I really have a boner for the idea using this to like fuck up the federal government across the board. Because to me, this is actually about a radical evolution of the political process that like I think federal politics is fundamentally broken. And if there’s a way to lateralize a national movement that uses

only states and state legislatures to start amending the Constitution, or even calling for an Article 5 convention to rewrite the Constitution on a whole, which is also specifically reserved by Article 5 in the U.S. Constitution, there’s actually an opportunity for us to roll back radical federal power, destroy the deep state, and renew the American dream throughout the globe by essentially creating the American dream with the federal government and the deep state stripped from it. So that’s kind of my insane idea.

you know, let’s have a couple lawyers and legal scholars come in here and tell me how I’m fucking insane or wrong or maybe even right, but as far as I know, this is an actual thing that could happen. It’s just been kind of buried in history for a long time.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:09:41.32) HODL your thoughts.

HODL (01:09:43.512) I listen, I’m an Article 5 maxi as well. Eric has explained it to me multiple times. just, you know, I think like in practical terms, I just I just don’t think we’re gonna be able to do that. Yeah, it’d be cool. It’d be cool if it happened. You know, I would be for it.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:10:00.4) Let’s let’s talk about some practical terms then because okay I want to want to get your guys take on this whole Bitcoin strategic reserve thing Senator okay, so you we remember at the Bitcoin conference in Nashville Trump gave what I think was honestly incredible stand-up performance like that dudes a dude he riffs like he’s he’s Like you cannot argue with the fact that the dude can fucking what does he call? He calls it the weave right? You know like he riffs. It’s impressive. It’s just

HODL (01:10:20.344) It was funny. Yeah.

HODL (01:10:25.91) leave.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:10:28.702) very like nice routine. yeah. Yeah. Go save the delivery man. But, and he talked kind of like, we’re going to keep the Bitcoin that we have, you know, we’re not going to sell any of it. He didn’t like explicitly say we are going to start, you know, printing fiat to acquire Bitcoin. He said he would protect the industry though. He said a lot of positive things. Then as everybody is leaving the stage, like after he finished, Lummis comes up and is like, I have a fucking bill right here. Like

Erik Cason (01:10:29.088) My dogs are attacking the delivery man, so I gotta stop them.

HODL (01:10:31.416) Nope.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:10:57.703) I have a bill for the US to establish a strategic Bitcoin reserve and like I felt bad because like again like people are like yelling like everyone’s leaving the thing like and I’m sitting there like she just like this is fucking actually actually news that lumos is like I’ve got a fucking bill for this she’s been on top of it since then Do what do you think is the most likely scenario that’s gonna play out as far as the establishment of a strategic reserve? Is this something that like Trump is gonna be all for?

HODL (01:11:05.442) Yeah.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:11:24.455) Like once he gets a little more knowledge of it, where do you think we’re going with this?

HODL (01:11:27.348) So the way that Trump said it on stage initially is is wrong and can’t happen. So the Bitcoin that have been seized, you know by whomever, whichever government authority sees them, then there are multiple government authorities that have seized them over time. They belong to somebody they have owners, right? So like most recently the Bitfinex hack there was four billion dollars worth of Bitcoin or something that was seized by the US government, but that Bitcoin all belongs to

people and it has to go back to them. So you can’t use it for your national strategic stockpile. But in general, I think the idea of a national strategic stockpile is something that is going to happen one way or another. I think it’s inevitable. Whether it goes on the central bank’s balance sheet or whether it’s put into the hands of the executive branch, I’m not sure. But America is going to acquire a large swath of Bitcoin at some point.

I think there’s a the most interesting thing about it is the prisoners dilemma of the nation state level game theory around who goes first So if you go first, you’re the most advantaged, right? But for some reason I don’t think this is widely known and so nobody’s gone first yet or maybe it’s because we don’t have Younger people who understand these things or have game this out Is Trump’s administration administration where we we can do those things I think

Maybe I mean, JD Vance is a Bitcoin or Vivek is a Bitcoin or Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a Bitcoin or Tulsi Gabbard is a Bitcoin or Elon Musk is a Bitcoin or Trump owns a little bit of Bitcoin. He’s dabbled in some crypto bullshit. He has his own shit coin. So yeah, I mean, there is a potential that it could happen this time around. I think the most important or the most interesting thing to me is the game theory between other nation states. And then the thing I was going to mention is in some

To some degree, I think the Bitcoin that’s in the public markets is a honeypot for the US government. So MSTR is a honeypot for the US government. The ETFs are the public companies that have Bitcoin on treasury like Tesla. So those things are things that can be nationalized in a moment’s notice if needed. But we’re not on a Bitcoin standard. So the government doesn’t need to seize your Bitcoin yet. If fiat starts to collapse, they may need to seize your Bitcoin.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:13:33.256) Mm.

HODL (01:13:56.273) They may seize your b- They’ll never need to do it. I mean, they just will do it, right? And so, yeah, I think that’s- Those are my high-level thoughts around everything, though.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:14:04.595) Do you, I assume when you talk about a first mover advantage, you’re discounting El Salvador in this particular instance because they do not print their own currency, because they are dollarized. Yeah.

HODL (01:14:12.756) It’s too small. Well, it’s also too small. It’s just too small. El Salvador is a very poor country. They’re doing listen, they’re doing great. They’re on the upswing, but they’re not a player in the world. They don’t mean anything like I mean, El Salvador is a tiny nothing country with no resources like I love what’s going on down there. You’re always probably they’re very small. If you looked at them on the map, it’s like this big. It’s yeah, it’s Russia, China, America.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:14:28.105) For now, for now, for now, let’s let’s let, yeah.

HODL (01:14:41.238) France, Germany, those are the countries that one of them needs to go first. G7.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:14:45.897) Do you so I mean like Russia has been shifting some of its stances around Bitcoin mining and Bitcoin more generally recently. mean do you think that like that is like we’re going to see a lot more of that because Russia was for a while very like no we’re you know not a fan of this. mean you know it’s not the not the freest country in the world let’s say and so freedom money tends to be a little bit.

It’s like oil and water, like they don’t mix well, right? But clearly they’re realizing the geopolitical significance of Bitcoin, which is still sitting at like, I mean, I don’t know what the market cap is right now after we’re over, we’re pamping, but like, we’re not over 2 trillion yet. We’re at like what, below a trillion and a half, like 1.5, which is fucking nothing. Like in the grand scheme of things, like we are still fucking early.

Erik Cason (01:15:31.04) point five.

HODL (01:15:37.74) Yep. Smaller than Apple Computer.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:15:42.303) Yeah, Bitcoin did just pass meta though, right? I think like today like I believe so, but I don’t know like

HODL (01:15:47.308) Probably.

Erik Cason (01:15:52.717) That piece of shit company is worth one and a half tru- Like what the fuck is wrong with this world? I’m sorry, like that- that is upsetting that so many fucking morons are on that goddamn surveillance platform giving away their information towards somebody that fucking hates them.

HODL (01:16:02.38) It’s.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:16:06.473) to, it’s just,

HODL (01:16:08.214) Instagram is very popular with the hoes Eric very popular

Erik Cason (01:16:11.434) I know. Bitches just be scrolling.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:16:12.551) And Facebook’s very popular with the boomers. Like I think boomers are the only ones left on Facebook. I’m honestly convinced, which is hilarious because the boomers were the same ones being like this, this, these Facebook’s are going to melt your brains. And now they’re like, you know, like this picture of Donald Trump and Jesus is incredible. Like when did they take this? This is amazing. Like, don’t think boomer boomers have really bad AI detection skills. Also, that’s a slight digression, but it leaves them very vulnerable to manipulation. I think

HODL (01:16:24.342) It’s, yeah.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:16:40.456) It’s also kind of cute and endearing. God bless you, you bought your house for two raspberries and now you’re a multimillionaire.

Erik Cason (01:16:47.724) look like in all honesty, like I see the next decade is like there’s gonna be this really it’s funny because I remember I was at Burning Man. I’d taken a bunch of acid and I was talking to a younger friend about this and I like went on this crazy diatribe. was like, yeah, in 30 years, we’re gonna have like a youth fascist movement that’s just gonna be all about like fucking stripping the boomers of their property and like sending them off to the prison camps for liquidation just because people are gonna be so fucking angry at the way that they feel like they were robbed and stolen from. So like

I don’t know. It’s very similar to that Junseth podcast where he talked to that young scammer where he was pretty indifferent to the way he was ripping people off. honestly, young people have a pretty good point. Yeah, if an AI boomer can’t tell the difference between Donald Trump and an AI bot, and you can rip him off doing that, why shouldn’t you? Yeah, he made his millions of dollars from watching his house inflate.

HODL (01:17:21.57) of these cameras.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:17:23.049) was amazing.

Erik Cason (01:17:46.102) you know, because of how fucked up the monetary system is. So why shouldn’t you just engage in outright graft? I’m not saying that that’s right in any meaningful way. Like it’s an honest and open-ended question that frankly, I’ve really struggled with, like meaningfully answering to them. Cause like, yeah, this system has absolutely fucked you and robbed you. And there is no meaningful way that you are going to crawl out of the hole that you’ve been forced to live in. So like, I don’t, I don’t know what you can really do to try to protect yourself other than get yourself on a Bitcoin standard.

HODL (01:18:15.108) you? Do you that’s Do you think that’s true, though? Because like, didn’t you feel that way when you were 1819? Because I did, I felt like the boomers had pulled up the ladder. They got rich selling houses back and forth to each other. We were never going to be able to do the same thing, etc, etc. And then God was just like, boom, here’s, here’s digital coins, bitch. And I was like, fuck. This is amazing. I’m richer than these guys could have ever dreamed. Yeah.

Erik Cason (01:18:15.414) But you probably shouldn’t be robbing people, because that’s fucked up.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:18:18.344) Yeah

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:18:38.045) you

You

HODL (01:18:43.158) So I mean, think there’s always something on the horizon.

Erik Cason (01:18:43.567) I mean, for me personally, for me personally, yeah, but like, I, and like, this is one of the things I always struggle with is that like, we’re in an extremely unique position, you know, across, like, that’s one of the reasons I didn’t just like take the money and run is that like, feel a real obligation towards speaking to the very real power that this has to like, write the economy in a meaningful way again. And with that being said, like,

If I was 20 years old looking at the economy right now, like I would very sincerely be trying to build a career as probably both a drug dealer and a scammer just because I look at the world and be like, why the fuck should I participate in any of this goddamn non- like you want me to fork out $400,000 to get a fucking bachelor’s degree while you got that shit for free? Like why the fuck shouldn’t I just set fire to everything and watch it burn because

What do I have to win in this system? Like, like I can work for 30 fucking years so I can get a down payment on a home that then I’ll spend the next 30 fucking years trying to pay off scraping by. Like, I think shit is really, really fucked up. And I think the only reason that kids aren’t outraged is because they’re so dopamine addicted to the scrolling that they can’t even pull their head far enough out of the phone to stop and look around and go, gee, shit’s really fucking bad. But that terrifies them. So they look back at the phone and keep scrolling.

so I think shit’s kind of sad right now, but, you know, like I, I hope I’m wrong and that it’s not actually that dark out there, but from the, from the young people that I speak to, like, there isn’t a rage about it. There’s like a very real defeat that like they have been beaten down into a cage that like, they’re just doing their best to figure out how to be in. So, while I do agree that I did feel that way when I was younger, like I very sincerely feel like I just like found the fucking glitch in the system.

And I remember like picking it up and being like, there’s no fucking way that like magic internet money is going to become the global standard of the future and like make a difference in the 2024 presidential election. And the funniest thing is, that like, there was no political conversation about Bitcoin in my opinion, up until about 2016. Like there were, there was no conceivable difference. know, like crypto didn’t even exist on a whole. There was a bunch of shit coin copies, like Litecoin and Feathercoin and shit.

Erik Cason (01:21:07.812) But it was only with the premiere of Ethereum that Bitcoiners were like, hang on, like, we’re trying to like make a kind of money that you can’t fuck with. And they’re like, yeah, like I thought, I thought this was the whole thing that we could just like make up Clowncoin and like make a bunch of money. And I was like, I think we have like different ethics here. And they’re like, huh. So like, you don’t want any Clowncoin? And I was like, no.

Good luck with that though.

HODL (01:21:32.28) No, mean, you know, I think that, okay, so one thing is, did you see the scammers who got caught for 250 million? They hit up a Genesis creditor for 250 million. Did you see that story?

Erik Cason (01:21:44.022) yeah, yeah. Wasn’t this a while ago that they just, you it was like, he had like fucking, like two FAA, like through texts or some shit and they just, just, yeah.

HODL (01:21:52.438) Yeah, they posed as I think they pose as Genesis or so I can’t remember how the scam worked. But anyway, like they got $250 million in Bitcoin off of this guy. And it wasn’t that long ago. was like six months ago or something. And then what did they do? They went out to the clubs in Miami and LA and they started buying OnlyFans girls Birkin bags and Lamborghinis and whatever. And my favorite text message from the thread is by the way, and then the FBI caught them two months later because

Everybody who’s ever seen Goodfellas knows you don’t go out and buy a fucking pink Cadillac day one. Are you fucking retarded? Robert De Niro is gonna whack you, okay? Or they don’t watch it? Yeah, it’s like, the kid literally bought a pink, he bought a pink Lambo for a girl. That is in Goodfellas, the guy does that and then he gets whacked.

Erik Cason (01:22:29.509) Kids don’t watch oldies anymore.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:22:31.567) No, the answers are all there. They gave you the answers.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:22:41.425) Also, like she’s not going to bang you either way, bro. Like, you know, seriously,

HODL (01:22:43.704) Well, that’s the point. That’s the point I’m getting to. So there’s a text message from the girl and he goes, hey, what’s up? I bought you a fucking pink Lambo Urus. You want it? Let’s be friends, whatever. And she’s like, lol, I have a boyfriend. Sorry. And it’s like, dude, you are going to get ass raped in federal prison for the next 10 years.

Erik Cason (01:22:44.377) Yeah, that’s like the most beta fucking move you can make.

HODL (01:23:09.568) and you couldn’t even get the girl to sleep with you after you bought her a fucking Lamborghini. You know why? It’s because when you earn money that way, girls know. They know that you’re a fucking loser. They can feel it. They can sense it. Right? And so like she didn’t want to have anything to do with you. So it’s like, what did you get out of the score, bro? You went to Rodeo Drive and wore some gay Louis Vuitton shit for a little bit and we’re in the nightclub fucking sipping on fucking…

awesome, Migo, fucking Don Hoolit, whatever the fuck, like what the f- that’s nothing. You threw away your life for nothing, bro. Come on.

Erik Cason (01:23:41.263) Yeah, not to digress, but like if you want to like get rich and make a bunch of money to like get all the hot bitches, like I got news for you. Like it’s not gonna work in any meaningful way. And like, you’re actually gonna find yourself in like a super bitch beta position where you’re gonna be like, huh, like I just like drove this girl in my Porsche over to this guy’s house that she’s like, that isn’t my boyfriend. So.

HODL (01:24:06.808) It’s just her trainer dude, it’s just her trainer dude. He’s the only guy who can work her glutes right bro, it’s a thing.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:24:09.639) It’s just Pilates instructor. It’s cool, man.

Erik Cason (01:24:12.716) Yeah.

I’m going to, you know, she needs me to pick her up in a half hour. So I’m just, I’m going to hang out at this coffee shop just cause I wonder why she’s doing only a half hour of Pilate though. That’s kind of weird.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:24:24.735) That’s strange. Doesn’t seem like enough to get a good burn.

HODL (01:24:25.836) was like a… No, dude, it’s more intense sweat, dude. If you do it that way, it’s what…

Erik Cason (01:24:31.644) Well, and look, the… This is all part of the general nihilism that’s playing out, because like when you get that money, when you get money that easily, that quickly through doing dumb shit like scamming, like you’re not going to like stop and be like, whoa, like I finally got the lotto ticket to get out of here. Like I’m going to buy a couple of laundry mats and maybe like, you know, like a driving range and a couple other places that can really generate some cashflow for me.

No, you’re gonna do like a bunch of retarded shit like that and you’re gonna blow the money. like, this is one of the things I love the most about Bitcoin. It’s like, Bitcoin doesn’t solve cashflow problems or if like you don’t have any meaningful like model that you’re operating from the world from. if you can’t save money, like you will not have any fucking Bitcoin. But like, if you’re somebody who’s like thoughtful and saving money and you have like a 401k and you’ve like played their game and gotten fucked by that, like.

Bitcoin’s going to be hugely helpful for you because like now you’re actually going to have a like savings that like does the thing it’s supposed to do. So good on you. And also like, I’m sorry for all the younger kids that are getting fucked by this system that hates them. Like you really should be on only a Bitcoin standard. And if you’re not, like I, I would love to hear your solution on why we’re fucking dumb and you have the solution. Cause as far as I can tell.

You’re gonna work at a Starbucks for the next 30 years and live in your mom’s basement and like maybe, maybe if you want a family, you’ll have like a chihuahua or something like, look, I got two dogs right now. Like these motherfuckers eat like nobody’s business. So like get a really small dog that like you, you like don’t need to like feed a lot of food to.

HODL (01:26:08.075) Dude, you know what though, it’s all mentality, truly. It’s like, people don’t, when you talk about like having children and caring about yourself for the future and you know, making money and how making money is a good thing, younger people are just straight up confused, right? And to us, that’s like, that’s the default that we grew up in. Those are our values. And yeah, but younger people are like, what? Is this some sort of like, trad, like trad?

Chad movement thing, dude. And you’re like, what? This is called being a normal person, retard. What are you talking about? And it’s because it’s so like they haven’t heard it. They’ve been being dude, if you go to public school, you have been being lectured by cat ladies eight hours a day for a fucking 15 years. OK, like and they have like fucking unicorn fairy tattoos on them and stuff. And they’re like, Donald Trump is a racist. That’s what you’ve been dealing with.

Erik Cason (01:26:46.577) You can’t say that word anymore.

HODL (01:27:06.432) Okay, so you come out of that and then Andrew Tate’s like, if you want to be a fucking man, you gotta have a fucking Bugatti. And then you go, fuck, this is fucking speaking to me, dude. Right? Like, when we were young, that was just like common sense. It was like, yeah, sports cars and hot chicks. Like that’s what we like, bro. Like, you know.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:27:26.162) Nobody needs to tell you that dude. Like, yeah.

Erik Cason (01:27:26.46) I feel…

I feel really fucking bad for younger people. Like particularly like if you’re like a young guy going through puberty and like you want to like go talk to this girl, but you’re all nervous because you’ve watched all this like cancel culture shit. Like now you’re too terrified to ever go talk to her. And now like you haven’t talked to any girls in your whole life and you want to, but you can’t. So like you feel like total fucking wiener. And then like somebody was like, well, if you feel like a wiener and like being a man’s really hard, like maybe you’re a woman and they’re like, maybe I am a woman. And like,

It’s something, it’s fucked up. It’s really wrong. And like a lot of times these poor kids just need somebody to be like, yeah, like you need to go talk to the woman. She could possibly like get really upset and sue you or some shit, but chances are she’s just going to think you’re kind of weird and you’ll feel uncomfortable and walk away, you know, being blown out and like, that’s okay. That that’s part of life. It’s okay when a woman rejects you. doesn’t define you as a human being.

HODL (01:28:17.56) I’m not supposed to say this but if you’re a teenage boy Go and get a little drunk and do donuts in a parking lot. Okay. I’m not supposed to say that you probably shouldn’t do it, but you know You should probably do it. Yeah, like in an empty parking lot empty. Don’t go on the road. Just Donuts you can do it in don’t do

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:28:31.498) Great advice. It’s terrible advice, but it’s great advice.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:28:41.608) And honestly, you live in the mid-west, like wait until, like you’ve got a little bit of snow there, wait until it’s a little bit slick, it’s much safer to do the donuts when your wheels are actually sliding versus you’re like burning rubber. So that, we’re tempering the donut device with some good Midwestern, you know, logical advice there. You know, I think, and Hodel, know you’ve got a hard stop coming up soon. I think we may need to do an entire other…

HODL (01:28:57.653) Absolutely.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:29:08.702) show about the fact that you know who hates homeschooling and who has had homeschooling illegal for a long time. Germany. Thank you. It’s it’s I appreciate you knew where I was going with that. And you know who implemented that. It was the fucking Nazis. Why did they implement the fact that you can’t it is illegal for you to homeschool your kids for you to raise and instruct your kids at home.

HODL (01:29:18.754) Germany, right?

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:29:34.868) because they wanted to fucking control the narrative and control your kids and indoctrinate them and make them good little fucking Hitler’s youth Nazis. And then we can go back a little bit further to the Prussian system of education, which is like what kind of was the genesis of the Nazi system, which is we want to create great little worker bees and great little soldiers. And the only way we can do that is if we have control of them from the first time they’re able to fucking formulate a word.

Until they are of a you an age where it’s appropriate to send them off to fucking work until they die or fight until they die I digress a little bit but the point is that if you don’t like homeschooling you’re a nazi And I mean that literally not like the everyone’s a nazi thing like you’re literally agreeing with what the nazis wanted So congratulations. You’re a literal nazi not a figurative nazi That’s

I just wanted to get that off my chest a little bit guys as a homeschooled guy myself who then went to public school because my parents Said it’s your fucking decision do what you want to do. They didn’t swear at me at that time They just said it’s your decision, but I added the fucking but That was a fucking trip getting into public school and realizing I thought I was gonna be real stupid That was like my big worry where I was like mom and dad I think I should go to public school like what if I’m not as smart as the other kids They’re always all my friends that I play sports with they’re always doing homework and all this extra work like they’ve to be way ahead of me

They’re like, okay, that’s your decision. You can decide to do that. But like you’ve got a you know, like it’s your it’s your choice So anything that comes with it’s your you know your responsibility, okay? And then I got to school and I was like, my god, everybody is fucking stupid. shit They are catering to the lowest common denominator. And this is a fucking joke I dig and I’m not even like that smart like I was smart enough to be a valedictorian and like kind of a bumblefucky town but that’s like, you know, like you’re the

skinniest kid at fat camp. You know what I mean? Like it’s like, okay, like nice, nice job, but like you’re still fat. Like, Hey, Hey, you guys are, you know,

Erik Cason (01:31:31.689) There are all these kids from her high school listening right now, and I’m like, hey, I’m not that dumb.

HODL (01:31:35.316) Hey, I often walk here. I often walk in my glue and he sniffed it. I thought we were friends.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:31:42.305) I knew some fucking great fucking people and there were also some great fucking teachers in there who actually were like fuck this administrative bullshit. I’m just going to actually teach these kids. They were also the teachers always getting in trouble with the administration for like you’re not following the curriculum. know like but and like I fucking love the small town that I grew up in because there are fucking great people there. The point is that the public school system did no one any favors. And you know what you just don’t fucking need it man. You should do like

An hour or two of school a day and you’ll be fucking good. That’s all I did And then I went and started fires like not pyro fires But like I like to start controlled fires who doesn’t you know what I mean? That’s part of it And if you’re a young guy listening to this and you’ve never just gone and started a fire fucking a go and start a fire because No, self-respecting woman will marry you unless you can start a fire like and I’m just telling you Yeah

Erik Cason (01:32:31.926) Yeah, do it on metal trash can though, or like somewhere that you’re not gonna start forest fire. know, like Smokey the Bear had a point.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:32:37.258) Well, yeah, don’t do yet again not pyromaniac fires start controlled fires Learn how to control them and be a responsible member of society who knows how to make flame like fucking hey That’s the only reason that we started drinking bone marrow that was actually cooked and had our brains grow and you want to spit on that I don’t think so I’ve digressed a little bit but it felt like I needed to digress a little bit to get us off track enough for hodl for me to allow you to make a graceful exit here How much more time you got you got time for one last?

HODL (01:33:05.928) got, yeah, I got like five more minutes. I can do five more minutes.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:33:06.81) thought Okay, okay, so Okay, it first. I just want to say thank you to everybody who tuned in on this Noster only live stream fuck YouTube fuck live stream on Twitter fuck wherever else you can live stream like twitch I’ve never used it, but I hear the kids do all these sats that you guys have sent which is almost 50,000 sats which is awesome I’m gonna send them all to open sats and provide receipts. So thank you guys for doing that We’re gonna fund some open source development while shitting on ridiculous people

Erik Cason (01:33:10.21) diatribe.

HODL (01:33:34.072) Yeah.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:33:36.352) Closing thoughts, gentlemen. Hodel, you want to kick us off?

HODL (01:33:40.888) Yeah, let me think about this here for a second. What are my closing thoughts? I think…

in general, you gotta just keep living, man. No, I got nothing.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:33:57.792) Yeah, you don’t have to have that. You already dropped so much wisdom. Well, Eric, what about you? What do want to leave people with?

HODL (01:34:04.561) Come back to me. Do Eric first, then come back.

Erik Cason (01:34:10.474) Look, Trump getting elected was like a the whole market was like waiting to see whether or not we’re going to go into like socialism hell or if there’s going to be an opportunity for something meaningful to happen. Now something meaningful is going to happen and Bitcoin is going to rip super fucking hard in the next six months. And so like if you’ve been like, I’ve been like, stacking a little here and there, but I got my 401k like you don’t have enough fucking coin. You’re going to want more coin later and you should stack harder. So you should really consider about like

Put, you know, like stop messing around, like fucking shove it in, like, like put the whole thing in and enjoy what it means and be like, fucking go for it. In addition to, you know, you should really think for yourself, you know, like no, nobody actually has all of the right fucking answers. And if you actually spend some time and energy thinking hard about what your values are and what you want for the world and for yourself, you’re probably going to come to some great conclusions. you know,

So I really hope that more of you are going to fly your freak freak flags and like do your own thing. Walker, you’re a great example. You’re just doing the Bitcoin podcast to swipe the fact that Bitcoin podcasts were saturated as fuck. You were just like, you know what? I’m going to try my own fucking thing. Turns out people like you and like listen to you. So even if it seems in other people are like, hey, this is saturated. There’s too many people like go do you and what you’re supposed to like, that’s what the world wants. That’s where you’re to find your power and that’s where you’re going to make the most money. Don’t wait for somebody to be like,

You need to call a degree in to suck five dicks at this law firm to get a job to practice law. find, like, find the fucking hack. Figure out the way that you can actually go do the thing that you want to do. What is the world wants for you and other people want for you? The system does not fucking want for you. Like realize that right now, you’re going to be way fucking ahead for yourself. So.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:35:36.02) You

Erik Cason (01:35:53.28) I hope to see all of you young entrepreneurs with the production of all of the great and wonderful things that you will be accepting only on a Bitcoin standard because you’re smart enough that you don’t want to get fucked holding a bunch of fiat that’s going to go to zero. That’s the end of what I have to

HODL (01:36:06.496) I am. I actually do have something to say I was I was thinking about this. I think going into the bull market, an important message for people that they need to be aware of is that, yes, you should go hard. know, there’s that clip of me on Walker show saying stack your fucking ass off and all that. And like, yes, you should go hard. You should you should be here. You should be fully committed to this and you should be, you know, investing a significant portion of what you have available. All true.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:36:06.728) A fucking

HODL (01:36:34.648) but you know in bull markets people take leverage and Leverage is something that people mistakenly think is a time machine to being an og And it’s not and you know, we’ve seen a lot of people get wrecked So if you are gonna take leverage be extremely careful it’s it’s one of those things that like if you warn enough people about doing it the people that

you know, ignore all the warnings and walk through all the warning signs anyway, and then go do it and succeed. They were always meant to succeed. But for the vast majority of people like you won’t succeed. You know what mean? So like you really should heed the warning and only you know if you’re that person or not, and everybody thinks they are that person. But you only find out you’re not that person who can walk through all the warning signs until you get fucking destroyed. So don’t get destroyed. You know what I mean? Like

Erik Cason (01:37:24.676) By the way, this is being said by the man who made a Bitcoin by betting the man who had the leverage platform that his leverage platform would go bankrupt within a year and it fucking did. just saying that Hoddle might actually know a little bit about what the fuck he’s talking about. So with that, please don’t go long and slam your fucking dick in the door because there’s a 10 % drawdown, which could very well happen when we hit an all time high and your retarded ass did a 10X long and didn’t realize.

HODL (01:37:32.728) That’s right.

Erik Cason (01:37:51.928) that that’s what happens. You get fucking liquidated when the price goes down. So don’t be fucking retarded and lose the little bit of Bitcoin that you have because you thought that you could get more Bitcoin because you were smarter. You’re not. You’re a normal fucking person who will hurt yourself if you do that. So sorry, I just really wanted to add.

HODL (01:38:07.746) So no, % 100 % and two cardinal sins here in Bitcoin you need to be aware of heading into the bull market is number one, not being bullish enough on Bitcoin. That’s the biggest sin. It’s the biggest sin anyone can make. Number two, unfortunately, is being too bullish on Bitcoin. So you got to strike the balance right in the middle there. Because if you’re on either side, you’re getting fucking wrecked. Okay, so the best way to do that, stack your Bitcoin, hodl your Bitcoin.

do it in self custody, do it in cold storage, do it with a multi sig. Don’t go crazy on this, these products, these MSTU and BTU and fucking these leverage products you can now get access to in the markets. Don’t go crazy on MSTR stock, don’t go crazy on shit coins or meme coins. You know, everybody has a plan. I’ve met a lot of guys who had a plan to get to 100 Bitcoin, who ended up with zero Bitcoin, right? So like,

Try not to be one of those guys. If your plan has three elaborate steps that involve you hitting a million shot three times, you’re not gonna execute that plan, man. I couldn’t execute it. I don’t know why you think you’re good enough to. I don’t know why anyone would ever think they’re good enough to. Be smart.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:39:20.83) got a fucking three step plan and it’s called DCA and fucking like literally guys, none of us are as smart as we think we are. And like that’s good. Like you being too smart is just a pain. That’s why you know, that’s why you need to drink and stuff. But like literally just like just fucking DCA. Like it’s actually like just this GCO like you can just buy Bitcoin, set up a daily DCA buy and then set up an hourly DCA buy.

HODL (01:39:24.503) Yes.

HODL (01:39:38.828) Totally.

Walker (BitcoinPodcast.net) (01:39:49.492) and it’ll just split the difference and you will be in large profit in the long term. And I have not been around as long as you guys been around since 2020 and I just dollar cost average. And you know what? It works. And I try to create some value. And Eric, to your point, I appreciate that, that you see this journey that I’m on creating another fucking Bitcoin podcast. But I just want to say until there are more Bitcoin podcasts than insufferable fucking finance bro podcasts,

There are not enough Bitcoin podcasts. need to this needs to be the flippening where Bitcoin podcasts are more plentiful than fucking finance bro. Like here here’s the real real estate stock stocks that you should buy that’ll generate some passive income for you when you’re 401k. It’s like Jesus fucking Christ. Grow some balls and buy some Bitcoin guys. Yeah. I fucking appreciate you guys. Thanks for hopping on here. This this was a very enjoyable time.

And I know that people fucking love hearing from both of you guys because you are principal dudes who always laid out straight and We are we are very blessed to have you in this fucking strange community of people and it’s great to fucking hang out with you guys And I hope we can do it in fucking person over a beer again soon But yeah, hold on get the fuck out of here case it I’m you guys for everyone listening I’m gonna kill this live stream now and we’re gonna just to make sure these guys are uploaded. So fucking love you all. Thanks for joining

I’m killing it now.