LibertyGal on Nostr: I can't know for sure. Only God knows for sure, but since Jesus is God and you deny ...
I can't know for sure. Only God knows for sure, but since Jesus is God and you deny His deity it doesn't seem that could be saving faith. I will say, that decision is up to God, not me, so I could always be wrong.
In John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the Father are one.”
Sounds like Jesus is saying He is God.
John 14:7-9 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? "
Jesus says knowing Him is knowing the Father and if you have seen Him you have seen the Father. This can only be true if they are one.
Even back in Genesis there is reference to the trinitarian nature of God. Genesis 1:26a says, "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" God refers to Himself in the plural. There are lots of other similar references.
John 10:32-38 "Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
In this passage the Jews accuse Jesus of "blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus does not deny being God. He says He does His miracles "so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.” Jesus claimed to be God. If He isn't God, then He is guilty of blasphemy and can't save anyone. He doesn't allow people to think He is a good man, a prophet, or a teacher, but not God.
(John 1:1-4, 14-17) says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ ” For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. "
Do you disagree that these verses are a description of Jesus? It says that He "was with God" and "was God" and that "All things came into being through Him." (aka He is creator) John the Baptist also refers to Jesus as God when he talks of His higher rank and that Jesus existed before John (Other gospels say John was physically born first).
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or win an argument for the sake of winning. I just think the Bible doesn't allow us to believe Jesus is anything less than our God and creator.
In John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the Father are one.”
Sounds like Jesus is saying He is God.
John 14:7-9 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? "
Jesus says knowing Him is knowing the Father and if you have seen Him you have seen the Father. This can only be true if they are one.
Even back in Genesis there is reference to the trinitarian nature of God. Genesis 1:26a says, "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness" God refers to Himself in the plural. There are lots of other similar references.
John 10:32-38 "Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
In this passage the Jews accuse Jesus of "blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus does not deny being God. He says He does His miracles "so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.” Jesus claimed to be God. If He isn't God, then He is guilty of blasphemy and can't save anyone. He doesn't allow people to think He is a good man, a prophet, or a teacher, but not God.
(John 1:1-4, 14-17) says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ ” For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. "
Do you disagree that these verses are a description of Jesus? It says that He "was with God" and "was God" and that "All things came into being through Him." (aka He is creator) John the Baptist also refers to Jesus as God when he talks of His higher rank and that Jesus existed before John (Other gospels say John was physically born first).
I'm not trying to make you feel bad or win an argument for the sake of winning. I just think the Bible doesn't allow us to believe Jesus is anything less than our God and creator.