Tekkadan, The Next Satoshi on Nostr: I agree with what you've stated. I think, in reference to Nostrapps.com specifically, ...
I agree with what you've stated. I think, in reference to Nostrapps.com specifically, there can be categories like Nostr.net has which would benefit the site as a whole, if it is to become more valuable. Users have pointed out how prolific Nostrapps.com is for new users, so it seems negligent to assume gatekeeping it is a smart option.
I think it's wise to separate apps into categories like this. As it stands, the GitHub awesome-list (nostr.net) at least separates apps by different types. You can sort by mobile and you can sort by "relays" because as you've made clear- there is a big difference between apps like:
Relay tools
Nostr build
Nostrapps
HiveTalk
And, a strfry relay.
Or oddBean.
They are all drastically different from one another.
In defense of people running lists, or websites, for finding "apps," it's very difficult to be totally-inclusive or all-encompasing. It's also difficult to categorize so I believe this article was worth writing, assuming we continue to reference it and leverage it for what it's worth.
On the other hand, I see it as poor taste to simply take over an app and start cherry-picking projects that meet your criteria without formally establishing a better system or defining that criteria. I agreed with your first takes- that people shouldn't really concern themselves with "someone else's apps or opinions". But I think this merit is lost when users had already done the work to be featured there. As well, the apps in question do quite a lot, which I believe is supported in your article. So I see you taking a respectable middle ground which could offer resolutions for everyone.
As for me, I'm just an onlooker in this situation. I don't think it's fair to cry censorship in this case, but I think in action, that's what it is. Because it wasn't supported with the due diligence you have just provided.
My response was to immortalize fiatjaf's quote and consider what it means to me. I was happy to carry on and leave it to fate. But, I can't deny that my favorite apps were removed here. I will defend the apps and their devs, because I see and share their struggle on Nostr. And at least they have grants!
Simply put- Nostr grows better with great leadership. Great leadership leads by example. There is no "one great leader" on Nostr and we will never need one.
But, what we do need are great leaders.
This looks like great leadership to me.
Keep doing that, hodlbod (nprofile…8x3z) and you won't ever be featured in my censorship activism. 🤣 https://sovereignoperators.github.io/
This protocol can thrive in every way it deems fit without all of the drama. It just takes teamwork and discussion. I believe in Nostrapps and fiatjaf just as much as I believe in CornyChat, Hivetalk, relay.tools and Wavlake. But as a user I have my preferences. I want to see my devs win too. And I'd like to see Nostr embrace their wins just as much as other people's. What I hate to see is people feel like their work was for nothing, and even tiny actions can have that effect. I think the solution is simply awareness of each other's feelings. Maybe it sounds lame but it's real. I use these great Nostr apps and the protocol to surround myself with great people whose feelings matter to me. That's why I Nostr.
Not sure what I'm even trying to say anymore. I remember a comment suggesting that nostrapps.com should be decentralized and managed via events. I do think there is great potential in someone doing it- but I'm not volunteering for that role either, so I understand if no one else is eager. I have assumed this might happen for 3 years but it has not yet.
So here we are. This is the state of Nostr. We know what looks best and we know what works best. But imo we should care about the efforts behind everyone's project first and foremost. Respect the devs. It should be easy, I think. NINO's be damned. 🤣
I think it's wise to separate apps into categories like this. As it stands, the GitHub awesome-list (nostr.net) at least separates apps by different types. You can sort by mobile and you can sort by "relays" because as you've made clear- there is a big difference between apps like:
Relay tools
Nostr build
Nostrapps
HiveTalk
And, a strfry relay.
Or oddBean.
They are all drastically different from one another.
In defense of people running lists, or websites, for finding "apps," it's very difficult to be totally-inclusive or all-encompasing. It's also difficult to categorize so I believe this article was worth writing, assuming we continue to reference it and leverage it for what it's worth.
On the other hand, I see it as poor taste to simply take over an app and start cherry-picking projects that meet your criteria without formally establishing a better system or defining that criteria. I agreed with your first takes- that people shouldn't really concern themselves with "someone else's apps or opinions". But I think this merit is lost when users had already done the work to be featured there. As well, the apps in question do quite a lot, which I believe is supported in your article. So I see you taking a respectable middle ground which could offer resolutions for everyone.
As for me, I'm just an onlooker in this situation. I don't think it's fair to cry censorship in this case, but I think in action, that's what it is. Because it wasn't supported with the due diligence you have just provided.
My response was to immortalize fiatjaf's quote and consider what it means to me. I was happy to carry on and leave it to fate. But, I can't deny that my favorite apps were removed here. I will defend the apps and their devs, because I see and share their struggle on Nostr. And at least they have grants!
Simply put- Nostr grows better with great leadership. Great leadership leads by example. There is no "one great leader" on Nostr and we will never need one.
But, what we do need are great leaders.
This looks like great leadership to me.
Keep doing that, hodlbod (nprofile…8x3z) and you won't ever be featured in my censorship activism. 🤣 https://sovereignoperators.github.io/
This protocol can thrive in every way it deems fit without all of the drama. It just takes teamwork and discussion. I believe in Nostrapps and fiatjaf just as much as I believe in CornyChat, Hivetalk, relay.tools and Wavlake. But as a user I have my preferences. I want to see my devs win too. And I'd like to see Nostr embrace their wins just as much as other people's. What I hate to see is people feel like their work was for nothing, and even tiny actions can have that effect. I think the solution is simply awareness of each other's feelings. Maybe it sounds lame but it's real. I use these great Nostr apps and the protocol to surround myself with great people whose feelings matter to me. That's why I Nostr.
Not sure what I'm even trying to say anymore. I remember a comment suggesting that nostrapps.com should be decentralized and managed via events. I do think there is great potential in someone doing it- but I'm not volunteering for that role either, so I understand if no one else is eager. I have assumed this might happen for 3 years but it has not yet.
So here we are. This is the state of Nostr. We know what looks best and we know what works best. But imo we should care about the efforts behind everyone's project first and foremost. Respect the devs. It should be easy, I think. NINO's be damned. 🤣