sovereignbull on Nostr: Flat earth is a catch all term for the topic. Most honest flerfs will state we don't ...
Flat earth is a catch all term for the topic. Most honest flerfs will state we don't know what the exact shape is, but it appears flat based on long distance observations, or more specifically, it isn't curving. It can be many other things, but a curved ball it cannot be.
Similarly, the second claim is there is no measured movement. Objectively, movement has never been measured. The best evidence presented for it is foucaults pendulum, and the issues are too much to get into with text alone. Just one simple thing though, it needs to be manually started and the rate of procession would vary depending on latitude (not demonstrated).
The basic tenets of a debate are logical fallacies. Keep on top of those and you're 90% of the way there. I've watched dozens, maybe hundreds of debates on the topic. The dishonesty almost entirely comes from the mainstream side, ever shifting the goalposts as their points are knocked down one after the other. That was one of the things that opened my eyes, since anyone who ever first stumbles onto the topic will always do so with skepticism or trying to debunk it.
I do enjoy how people tend to push this to pilosophy as the ground is removed from their shaky positions. The key points to our position are primarily that the claim of the globe is repeatedly debunked and that motion has never been proven. Anything else further than that is speculation. The default position is we are standing still, and the onus is on the party making the claim of motion. Unfalsifiable claims don't count, and that's largely what that position is based off of.
Similarly, the second claim is there is no measured movement. Objectively, movement has never been measured. The best evidence presented for it is foucaults pendulum, and the issues are too much to get into with text alone. Just one simple thing though, it needs to be manually started and the rate of procession would vary depending on latitude (not demonstrated).
The basic tenets of a debate are logical fallacies. Keep on top of those and you're 90% of the way there. I've watched dozens, maybe hundreds of debates on the topic. The dishonesty almost entirely comes from the mainstream side, ever shifting the goalposts as their points are knocked down one after the other. That was one of the things that opened my eyes, since anyone who ever first stumbles onto the topic will always do so with skepticism or trying to debunk it.
I do enjoy how people tend to push this to pilosophy as the ground is removed from their shaky positions. The key points to our position are primarily that the claim of the globe is repeatedly debunked and that motion has never been proven. Anything else further than that is speculation. The default position is we are standing still, and the onus is on the party making the claim of motion. Unfalsifiable claims don't count, and that's largely what that position is based off of.