Gregory Maxwell [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2018-09-11 📝 Original message:On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at ...
📅 Original date posted:2018-09-11
📝 Original message:On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:38 PM Erik Aronesty <erik at q32.com> wrote:
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> - Musig, by being M of M, is inherently prone to loss.
M of M is a particular threshold. If you want M of M (there are
plenty of cases where M of M _must_ be used) then you get the
consequences of M of M, which presumably you want.
This has nothing to do with musig. If you want a threshold other than
M of M then you use a threshold other than M of M.
No one is under the impression that M of M is somehow a replacement
for other thresholds. We've spent more time talking about M of M in
some writeups in the past because it's exactly the case you need for
signature aggregation in Bitcoin and because it's a simpler case to
explain.
> - Having the senders of the G*x pubkey shares sign their messages with the associated private key share should be sufficient to prevent them from using wagner's algorithm to attack the combined key.
Yes, that is one possibility which is described in the musig paper,
but it requires users communicate an extra signature per key. So, for
example, if used with aggregate signature it would completely
eliminate the communications efficiency gains from aggregation, making
aggregation worse than pointless. It also has somewhat worse failure
properties than delinearization, because a signer that fails to
validate other's share signatures behaves behaves exactly the same as
a correct one, on honest inputs. That approach has its uses but I
think that in any case where delinearization can be used it's a better
option.
📝 Original message:On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 5:38 PM Erik Aronesty <erik at q32.com> wrote:
>
> - Musig, by being M of M, is inherently prone to loss.
M of M is a particular threshold. If you want M of M (there are
plenty of cases where M of M _must_ be used) then you get the
consequences of M of M, which presumably you want.
This has nothing to do with musig. If you want a threshold other than
M of M then you use a threshold other than M of M.
No one is under the impression that M of M is somehow a replacement
for other thresholds. We've spent more time talking about M of M in
some writeups in the past because it's exactly the case you need for
signature aggregation in Bitcoin and because it's a simpler case to
explain.
> - Having the senders of the G*x pubkey shares sign their messages with the associated private key share should be sufficient to prevent them from using wagner's algorithm to attack the combined key.
Yes, that is one possibility which is described in the musig paper,
but it requires users communicate an extra signature per key. So, for
example, if used with aggregate signature it would completely
eliminate the communications efficiency gains from aggregation, making
aggregation worse than pointless. It also has somewhat worse failure
properties than delinearization, because a signer that fails to
validate other's share signatures behaves behaves exactly the same as
a correct one, on honest inputs. That approach has its uses but I
think that in any case where delinearization can be used it's a better
option.