vinney on Nostr: I'm not endorsing all the other stuff you're saying, but re: this bit: > I guess I'm ...
I'm not endorsing all the other stuff you're saying, but re: this bit:
> I guess I'm saying there's some deeper problem that creates these other things we see in society and ultimately destroys the society
The answer is simple: The main problem is using the State as the vehicle to "protect the collective". The state is the _organization_ of the political means to wealth. The political means to wealth works exclusively by theft and seizure (as opposed to he economic means to wealth, which is operates via voluntary exchange), the obvious result is ever more theft, seizure and restriction on individual freedom.
This isn't an accident or a failure mode that can be avoided, it is _the design_ of the political means to power and the design of the State. It is inherent in the implementation.
The impulse to "protect the collective" may be benevolent, but the method by which you attempt to achieve it is the poison.
Mussolini:
- "The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against the law of collectivity".
- "The Fascist State [...interprets _for_ men] the duties they have to fulfill"
Hitler:
- "The state should retain supervision, [and property 'owners' should consider themselves] appointed by the state"
- "It is [the property owner's] duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people"
- "The State will always retain its right to _control the owners of property"
To put it very simply, the problem with these approaches - and most any version of socialism is that they remove the fundamental respect for private property, superseding it with a coercive "duty to the collective".
> I guess I'm saying there's some deeper problem that creates these other things we see in society and ultimately destroys the society
The answer is simple: The main problem is using the State as the vehicle to "protect the collective". The state is the _organization_ of the political means to wealth. The political means to wealth works exclusively by theft and seizure (as opposed to he economic means to wealth, which is operates via voluntary exchange), the obvious result is ever more theft, seizure and restriction on individual freedom.
This isn't an accident or a failure mode that can be avoided, it is _the design_ of the political means to power and the design of the State. It is inherent in the implementation.
The impulse to "protect the collective" may be benevolent, but the method by which you attempt to achieve it is the poison.
Mussolini:
- "The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against the law of collectivity".
- "The Fascist State [...interprets _for_ men] the duties they have to fulfill"
Hitler:
- "The state should retain supervision, [and property 'owners' should consider themselves] appointed by the state"
- "It is [the property owner's] duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people"
- "The State will always retain its right to _control the owners of property"
To put it very simply, the problem with these approaches - and most any version of socialism is that they remove the fundamental respect for private property, superseding it with a coercive "duty to the collective".