Johnson Lau [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2018-11-21 📝 Original message:If we sign the txids of ...
📅 Original date posted:2018-11-21
📝 Original message:If we sign the txids of all inputs, we should also explicitly commit to their values. Only this could fully eliminate any possible way to lie about input value to hardware wallets
> Does it make sense to keep SIGHASH_NONE?
SIGHASH_NONE should be kept. ANYONECANPAY|NONE allows donation of dust UTXOs to miners
> I think NONE without NOFEE doesn't make much sense…….
We might refuse to sign weird combinations like NOFEE|ALLINPUT|ALLOUTPUT. But to keep the consensus logic simple, we should just validate it as usual.
> OP_MASK seems a bit complicated to me. …...
Yes, it looks complicated to me, and it improves security only in some avoidable edge cases in SIGHASH_NOINPUT:
The common case: the exact masked script or address is reused. OP_MASK can’t prevent signature replay since the masked script is the same.
The avoidable case: the same public key is reused in different script templates. OP_MASK may prevent signature replay is the masked script is not the same.
The latter case is totally avoidable since one could and should use a different public key for different script.
It could be made much simpler as NOINPUT with/without SCRIPT. This again is only helpful in the avoidable case above, but it doesn’t bring too much complexity.
> I don't have a reason why, but committing to the scriptCode feels to me like it reduces the "hackiness" of NOINPUT a lot.
OP_MASK is designed to preserve the hackiness, while provide some sort of replay protection (only in avoidable cases). However, I’m not sure who would actually need NOINPUT with KNOWNSCRIPT
> On 21 Nov 2018, at 4:29 AM, Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 02:37:57PM -0800, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> Here is a combined proposal:
>> * Three new sighash flags are added: SIGHASH_NOINPUT, SIGHASH_NOFEE,
>> and SIGHASH_SCRIPTMASK.
>> * A new opcode OP_MASK is added, which acts as a NOP during execution.
>> * The sighash is computed like in BIP143, but:
>> * If SIGHASH_SCRIPTMASK is present, for every OP_MASK in scriptCode
>> the subsequent opcode/push is removed.
>> * The scriptPubKey being spent is added to the sighash, unless
>> SIGHASH_SCRIPTMASK is set.
>> * The transaction fee is added to the sighash, unless SIGHASH_NOFEE is set.
>> * hashPrevouts, hashSequence, and outpoint are set to null when
>> SIGHASH_NOINPUT is set (like BIP118, but not for scriptCode).
>
> Current flags are {ALL, NONE, SINGLE} and ANYONECANPAY, and the BIP143
> tx digest consists of the hash of:
>
> 1 nVersion
> 4 outpoint
> 5 input scriptCode
> 6 input's outpoint value
> 7 input's nSeq
> 9 nLocktime
> 10 sighash
>
> 2 hashPrevOuts (commits to 4,5,6; unless ANYONECANPAY)
> 3 hashSequence (commits to 7; only if ALL and not ANYONECANPAY)
> 8 hashOutputs
> - NONE: 0
> - SINGLE: {value,scriptPubKey} for corresponding output
> - otherwise: {value,scriptPubKey} for all outputs
>
> The fee is committed to by hashPrevOuts and hashOutputs, which means
> NOFEE is only potentially useful if ANYONECANPAY or NONE or SINGLE is set.
>
> For NOINPUT, (2),(3),(4) are cleared, and SCRIPTMASK (which munges (5))
> is only useful given NOINPUT, since (4) indirectly commits to (5).
>
> Given this implementation, NOINPUT effectively implies ANYONECANPAY,
> I think. (I think that is also true of BIP 118's NOINPUT spec)
>
> Does it make sense to treat this as two classes of options, affecting
> the input and output side:
>
> output: (pick one, using bits 0,1)
> * NONE -- don't care where the money goes
> * SINGLE -- want this output
> * ALL -- want exactly this set of outputs
>
> input: (pick one, using bits 4,5)
> * PARTIALSCRIPT -- spending from some tx with roughly this script (and
> maybe others; SCRIPTMASK|NOINPUT|ANYONECANPAY)
> * KNOWNSCRIPT -- spending from some tx with exactly this script (and
> maybe others; NOINPUT|ANYONECANPAY)
> * KNOWNTX -- spending from this tx (and maybe others; ANYONECANPAY)
> * ALL_INPUTS -- spending from exactly these txes
>
> combo: (flag, bit 6)
> * NOFEE -- don't commit to the fee
>
> I think NONE without NOFEE doesn't make much sense, and
> NOFEE|ALL|ALL_INPUTS would also be pretty weird. Might make sense to
> warn/error on signing when asking for those combinations, and maybe even
> to fail on validating them.
>
> (Does it make sense to keep SIGHASH_NONE? I guess SIGHASH_NONE|ALL_INPUTS
> could be useful if you just use sigs on one of the other inputs to commit
> to a useful output)
>
> FWIW, OP_MASK seems a bit complicated to me. How would you mask a script
> that looks like:
>
> OP_MASK IF <p> ENDIF <q> ...
>
> or:
>
> IF OP_MASK ENDIF <p> ...
>
> I guess if you make the rule be "for every OP_MASK in scriptCode the
> *immediately* subsequent opcode/push is removed (if present)" it would
> be fine though -- that would make OP_MASK in both the above not have
> any effect. (Maybe a more explicit name like "MASK_PUSH_FOR_SIGHASH"
> or something might be good?)
>
> I don't have a reason why, but committing to the scriptCode feels to me
> like it reduces the "hackiness" of NOINPUT a lot.
>
> Cheers,
> aj
>
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📝 Original message:If we sign the txids of all inputs, we should also explicitly commit to their values. Only this could fully eliminate any possible way to lie about input value to hardware wallets
> Does it make sense to keep SIGHASH_NONE?
SIGHASH_NONE should be kept. ANYONECANPAY|NONE allows donation of dust UTXOs to miners
> I think NONE without NOFEE doesn't make much sense…….
We might refuse to sign weird combinations like NOFEE|ALLINPUT|ALLOUTPUT. But to keep the consensus logic simple, we should just validate it as usual.
> OP_MASK seems a bit complicated to me. …...
Yes, it looks complicated to me, and it improves security only in some avoidable edge cases in SIGHASH_NOINPUT:
The common case: the exact masked script or address is reused. OP_MASK can’t prevent signature replay since the masked script is the same.
The avoidable case: the same public key is reused in different script templates. OP_MASK may prevent signature replay is the masked script is not the same.
The latter case is totally avoidable since one could and should use a different public key for different script.
It could be made much simpler as NOINPUT with/without SCRIPT. This again is only helpful in the avoidable case above, but it doesn’t bring too much complexity.
> I don't have a reason why, but committing to the scriptCode feels to me like it reduces the "hackiness" of NOINPUT a lot.
OP_MASK is designed to preserve the hackiness, while provide some sort of replay protection (only in avoidable cases). However, I’m not sure who would actually need NOINPUT with KNOWNSCRIPT
> On 21 Nov 2018, at 4:29 AM, Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 02:37:57PM -0800, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> Here is a combined proposal:
>> * Three new sighash flags are added: SIGHASH_NOINPUT, SIGHASH_NOFEE,
>> and SIGHASH_SCRIPTMASK.
>> * A new opcode OP_MASK is added, which acts as a NOP during execution.
>> * The sighash is computed like in BIP143, but:
>> * If SIGHASH_SCRIPTMASK is present, for every OP_MASK in scriptCode
>> the subsequent opcode/push is removed.
>> * The scriptPubKey being spent is added to the sighash, unless
>> SIGHASH_SCRIPTMASK is set.
>> * The transaction fee is added to the sighash, unless SIGHASH_NOFEE is set.
>> * hashPrevouts, hashSequence, and outpoint are set to null when
>> SIGHASH_NOINPUT is set (like BIP118, but not for scriptCode).
>
> Current flags are {ALL, NONE, SINGLE} and ANYONECANPAY, and the BIP143
> tx digest consists of the hash of:
>
> 1 nVersion
> 4 outpoint
> 5 input scriptCode
> 6 input's outpoint value
> 7 input's nSeq
> 9 nLocktime
> 10 sighash
>
> 2 hashPrevOuts (commits to 4,5,6; unless ANYONECANPAY)
> 3 hashSequence (commits to 7; only if ALL and not ANYONECANPAY)
> 8 hashOutputs
> - NONE: 0
> - SINGLE: {value,scriptPubKey} for corresponding output
> - otherwise: {value,scriptPubKey} for all outputs
>
> The fee is committed to by hashPrevOuts and hashOutputs, which means
> NOFEE is only potentially useful if ANYONECANPAY or NONE or SINGLE is set.
>
> For NOINPUT, (2),(3),(4) are cleared, and SCRIPTMASK (which munges (5))
> is only useful given NOINPUT, since (4) indirectly commits to (5).
>
> Given this implementation, NOINPUT effectively implies ANYONECANPAY,
> I think. (I think that is also true of BIP 118's NOINPUT spec)
>
> Does it make sense to treat this as two classes of options, affecting
> the input and output side:
>
> output: (pick one, using bits 0,1)
> * NONE -- don't care where the money goes
> * SINGLE -- want this output
> * ALL -- want exactly this set of outputs
>
> input: (pick one, using bits 4,5)
> * PARTIALSCRIPT -- spending from some tx with roughly this script (and
> maybe others; SCRIPTMASK|NOINPUT|ANYONECANPAY)
> * KNOWNSCRIPT -- spending from some tx with exactly this script (and
> maybe others; NOINPUT|ANYONECANPAY)
> * KNOWNTX -- spending from this tx (and maybe others; ANYONECANPAY)
> * ALL_INPUTS -- spending from exactly these txes
>
> combo: (flag, bit 6)
> * NOFEE -- don't commit to the fee
>
> I think NONE without NOFEE doesn't make much sense, and
> NOFEE|ALL|ALL_INPUTS would also be pretty weird. Might make sense to
> warn/error on signing when asking for those combinations, and maybe even
> to fail on validating them.
>
> (Does it make sense to keep SIGHASH_NONE? I guess SIGHASH_NONE|ALL_INPUTS
> could be useful if you just use sigs on one of the other inputs to commit
> to a useful output)
>
> FWIW, OP_MASK seems a bit complicated to me. How would you mask a script
> that looks like:
>
> OP_MASK IF <p> ENDIF <q> ...
>
> or:
>
> IF OP_MASK ENDIF <p> ...
>
> I guess if you make the rule be "for every OP_MASK in scriptCode the
> *immediately* subsequent opcode/push is removed (if present)" it would
> be fine though -- that would make OP_MASK in both the above not have
> any effect. (Maybe a more explicit name like "MASK_PUSH_FOR_SIGHASH"
> or something might be good?)
>
> I don't have a reason why, but committing to the scriptCode feels to me
> like it reduces the "hackiness" of NOINPUT a lot.
>
> Cheers,
> aj
>
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