Rusty Russell [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2019-11-08 📝 Original message: Joost Jager <joost.jager ...
📅 Original date posted:2019-11-08
📝 Original message:
Joost Jager <joost.jager at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Isn't spam something that can also be addressed by using rate limits for
>> > failures? If all relevant nodes on the network employ rate limits, they
>> can
>> > isolate the spammer and diminish their disruptive abilities.
>>
>> Sure, once the spammer has jammed up the network, he'll be stopped. So
>> will everyone else. Conner had a proposal like this which didn't work,
>> IIRC.
>
> Do you have ref to this proposal?
>
> Imagine the following setup: a network of nodes that trust each other (as
> far as spam is concerned) applies a 100 htlc/sec rate limit to the channels
> between themselves. Channels to untrusted nodes get a rate of only 1
> htlc/sec. Assuming the spammer isn't a trusted node, they can only spam at
> 1 htlc/s and won't jam up the network?
Damn, I searched for it but all the obvious keywords turned up blank.
Conner CC'd in case he remembers the discussion and I'm not imagining it?
Anyway, if there are 100 nodes in the network I can still open a channel
to each one and jam it up immediately. And that's not even assuming I
play nice until you trust me, then attack or get taken over.
Cheers,
Rusty.
📝 Original message:
Joost Jager <joost.jager at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Isn't spam something that can also be addressed by using rate limits for
>> > failures? If all relevant nodes on the network employ rate limits, they
>> can
>> > isolate the spammer and diminish their disruptive abilities.
>>
>> Sure, once the spammer has jammed up the network, he'll be stopped. So
>> will everyone else. Conner had a proposal like this which didn't work,
>> IIRC.
>
> Do you have ref to this proposal?
>
> Imagine the following setup: a network of nodes that trust each other (as
> far as spam is concerned) applies a 100 htlc/sec rate limit to the channels
> between themselves. Channels to untrusted nodes get a rate of only 1
> htlc/sec. Assuming the spammer isn't a trusted node, they can only spam at
> 1 htlc/s and won't jam up the network?
Damn, I searched for it but all the obvious keywords turned up blank.
Conner CC'd in case he remembers the discussion and I'm not imagining it?
Anyway, if there are 100 nodes in the network I can still open a channel
to each one and jam it up immediately. And that's not even assuming I
play nice until you trust me, then attack or get taken over.
Cheers,
Rusty.