Andreas Schildbach [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: ๐ Original date posted:2014-07-15 ๐ Original message:I think generally ...
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Original date posted:2014-07-15
๐ Original message:I think generally control-characters (such as \u0000) should be
disallowed in passphrases. (Even the use of whitespaces is very
questionable.)
I'm ok with allowing pile-of-poo's. On mobile phones there is keyboards
just containing emoticons -- why not allow those? Assuming NFC works of
course.
On 07/15/2014 03:07 PM, Eric Winer wrote:
> I don't know for sure if the test vector is correct NFC form. But for
> what it's worth, the Pile of Poo character is pretty easily accessible
> on the iPhone and Android keyboards, and in this string it's already in
> NFC form (f09f92a9 in the test result). I've certainly seen it in
> usernames around the internet, and wouldn't be surprised to see it in
> passphrases entered on smartphones, especially if the author of a
> BIP38-compatible app includes a (possibly ill-advised) suggestion to
> have your passphrase "include special characters".
>
> I haven't seen the NULL character on any smartphone keyboards, though -
> I assume the iOS and Android developers had the foresight to know how
> much havoc that would wreak on systems assuming null-terminated strings.
> It seems unlikely that NULL would be in a real-world passphrase entered
> by a sane user.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net
> <mailto:mike at plan99.net>> wrote:
>
> [+cc aaron]
>
> We recently added an implementation of BIP 38 (password protected
> private keys) to bitcoinj. It came to my attention that the third
> test vector may be broken. It gives a hex version of what the NFC
> normalised version of the input string should be, but this does not
> match the results of the Java unicode normaliser, and in fact I
> can't even get Python to print the names of the characters past the
> embedded null. I'm curious where this normalised version came from.
>
> Given that "pile of poo" is not a character I think any sane user
> would put into a passphrase, I question the value of this test
> vector. NFC form is intended to collapse things like umlaut control
> characters onto their prior code point, but here we're feeding the
> algorithm what is basically garbage so I'm not totally surprised
> that different implementations appear to disagree on the outcome.
>
> Proposed action: we remove this test vector as it does not represent
> any real world usage of the spec, or if we desperately need to
> verify NFC normalisation I suggest using a different, more realistic
> test string, like Zรผrich, or something written in Thai.
>
>
>
> Test 3:
>
> * Passphrase ฯฬโ๐๐ฉ (\u03D2\u0301\u0000\U00010400\U0001F4A9; GREEK
> UPSILON WITH HOOK <http://codepoints.net/U+03D2>;, COMBINING
> ACUTE ACCENT <http://codepoints.net/U+0301>;, NULL
> <http://codepoints.net/U+0000>;, DESERET CAPITAL LETTER LONG I
> <http://codepoints.net/U+10400>;, PILE OF POO
> <http://codepoints.net/U+1F4A9>;)
> * Encrypted key:
> 6PRW5o9FLp4gJDDVqJQKJFTpMvdsSGJxMYHtHaQBF3ooa8mwD69bapcDQn
> * Bitcoin Address: 16ktGzmfrurhbhi6JGqsMWf7TyqK9HNAeF
> * Unencrypted private key (WIF):
> 5Jajm8eQ22H3pGWLEVCXyvND8dQZhiQhoLJNKjYXk9roUFTMSZ4
> * /Note:/ The non-standard UTF-8 characters in this passphrase
> should be NFC normalized to result in a passphrase
> of0xcf9300f0909080f09f92a9 before further processing
>
>
>
>
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๐ Original message:I think generally control-characters (such as \u0000) should be
disallowed in passphrases. (Even the use of whitespaces is very
questionable.)
I'm ok with allowing pile-of-poo's. On mobile phones there is keyboards
just containing emoticons -- why not allow those? Assuming NFC works of
course.
On 07/15/2014 03:07 PM, Eric Winer wrote:
> I don't know for sure if the test vector is correct NFC form. But for
> what it's worth, the Pile of Poo character is pretty easily accessible
> on the iPhone and Android keyboards, and in this string it's already in
> NFC form (f09f92a9 in the test result). I've certainly seen it in
> usernames around the internet, and wouldn't be surprised to see it in
> passphrases entered on smartphones, especially if the author of a
> BIP38-compatible app includes a (possibly ill-advised) suggestion to
> have your passphrase "include special characters".
>
> I haven't seen the NULL character on any smartphone keyboards, though -
> I assume the iOS and Android developers had the foresight to know how
> much havoc that would wreak on systems assuming null-terminated strings.
> It seems unlikely that NULL would be in a real-world passphrase entered
> by a sane user.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net
> <mailto:mike at plan99.net>> wrote:
>
> [+cc aaron]
>
> We recently added an implementation of BIP 38 (password protected
> private keys) to bitcoinj. It came to my attention that the third
> test vector may be broken. It gives a hex version of what the NFC
> normalised version of the input string should be, but this does not
> match the results of the Java unicode normaliser, and in fact I
> can't even get Python to print the names of the characters past the
> embedded null. I'm curious where this normalised version came from.
>
> Given that "pile of poo" is not a character I think any sane user
> would put into a passphrase, I question the value of this test
> vector. NFC form is intended to collapse things like umlaut control
> characters onto their prior code point, but here we're feeding the
> algorithm what is basically garbage so I'm not totally surprised
> that different implementations appear to disagree on the outcome.
>
> Proposed action: we remove this test vector as it does not represent
> any real world usage of the spec, or if we desperately need to
> verify NFC normalisation I suggest using a different, more realistic
> test string, like Zรผrich, or something written in Thai.
>
>
>
> Test 3:
>
> * Passphrase ฯฬโ๐๐ฉ (\u03D2\u0301\u0000\U00010400\U0001F4A9; GREEK
> UPSILON WITH HOOK <http://codepoints.net/U+03D2>;, COMBINING
> ACUTE ACCENT <http://codepoints.net/U+0301>;, NULL
> <http://codepoints.net/U+0000>;, DESERET CAPITAL LETTER LONG I
> <http://codepoints.net/U+10400>;, PILE OF POO
> <http://codepoints.net/U+1F4A9>;)
> * Encrypted key:
> 6PRW5o9FLp4gJDDVqJQKJFTpMvdsSGJxMYHtHaQBF3ooa8mwD69bapcDQn
> * Bitcoin Address: 16ktGzmfrurhbhi6JGqsMWf7TyqK9HNAeF
> * Unencrypted private key (WIF):
> 5Jajm8eQ22H3pGWLEVCXyvND8dQZhiQhoLJNKjYXk9roUFTMSZ4
> * /Note:/ The non-standard UTF-8 characters in this passphrase
> should be NFC normalized to result in a passphrase
> of0xcf9300f0909080f09f92a9 before further processing
>
>
>
>
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