infognomics on Nostr: "And nature will select..." Oh as it seems only nature (personified) can have an ...
"And nature will select..."
Oh as it seems only nature (personified) can have an absolute, a singular purpose, but not us - of course nature and nurture are the two sides of the same coin, since our culture is solutions produced by our genome to solve (well I m following your take here) our genes' issues, but if we say "And nurture will select" doesn't sound so pleasant now, does it?
And while this is a complicated issue, worthy of long hours talking, you are generally wrong and your approach is rather immature.
I grew up in a troubled neighborhood with a lot of marginalized people inside, and for a reason I never understood they were coming to my as I was a little boy and telling me their pain, for a reason.
Gambling, drugs, alcohol, adultery all that stuff.
So I saw from a young age how people suffered from the absence of purpose in their lives, or for choosing (long and behold) the wrong purpose (not for themselves only bit for the society as well).
People without a purpose. That experiment.
Yes that social experiment we subjected ourselves the last 70 years of human civilization, contrasted with centuries of human civilization before us. But, yes, we know better 😅
As I said a lot of simplistic views here.
"Our mind will decide" (another personification here) you say as if we can "make it our way" as if we can leave outside of preordained cultures, concepts, technologies. Culture is a centuries long river that we float in, and as far as I know, people that thing they are doing "their own thing" are deeper in that human culture than they think they are.
We are merely heirs of notions and meaning. We don't invent them. We can diversify them, enrich them or make them poorer, mix them or change them a bit, but not inventing them. Your goal to be happy through creativity and technology doesn't differ from the Aristotelian approach of happiness (lessen the things that make you feel bad and grow the things to make you feel good) or the primitive tribal worships (make sacrifices to bad spirits to heart them less and to good spirits to help you more) - well, Christianity is documentably (at least in principal) different from those approaches.
Now to the simplifying of human life to "food and shelter to not die".
Our genes are not only to survival but to survival and/or efficiency.
That means:
I live, and then,
I live better, and then,
I want to live even better, and then ,
I want to live better than you etc..
But it's not even that simple.
Because then ideology (it's when ideas' *purpose* stop being to solve problems, but to ensure ideas' survival and prolongment) kicks in.
Why Hitler or Netanyahu or Stalin or Mao or western or eastern colonizers (I don't know, pick your bad guy here) did what they did?
Their food was in the table already.
On the contrary, their obedient servants' food and life would be in danger of they didn't follow their orders and kill/destroy whatever. We know what nature would tell us about that: "Survive at any cost, even it it means obay blindly orders".
This is why we should care (not judge) what other people values are.
Because every personal choise you make gets to be a social behavior in the end.
The guy sitting in his basement, masturbating watching porn is a member of our community, as well.
Materialism is easy, but how you prevent that for becoming nihilism (the difference between "why I should help granny to pass the road" and "I will kick her ass because I think it's funny or even profitable".
This is why we need (much hated nowadays) role models.
Give me a book to read so I will be kind, or simple, or helping, or modest.
It doesn't work that way. You need to live close to people who are kind, or modest or generous to learn how to be one.
And if your parents weren't that way, society has to provide some role models for you.
People of the modern society.
The only people ever existed who don't have a purpose and don't know how to find any or declare that don't need to (maybe it's the same thing).
As I said, a very complicated issue.
In my opinion the statement "I ll do it my way" is a delusion.
It's not "weather" you are following a culture, a tradition, a role model, but which on of them you are following.
Oh as it seems only nature (personified) can have an absolute, a singular purpose, but not us - of course nature and nurture are the two sides of the same coin, since our culture is solutions produced by our genome to solve (well I m following your take here) our genes' issues, but if we say "And nurture will select" doesn't sound so pleasant now, does it?
And while this is a complicated issue, worthy of long hours talking, you are generally wrong and your approach is rather immature.
I grew up in a troubled neighborhood with a lot of marginalized people inside, and for a reason I never understood they were coming to my as I was a little boy and telling me their pain, for a reason.
Gambling, drugs, alcohol, adultery all that stuff.
So I saw from a young age how people suffered from the absence of purpose in their lives, or for choosing (long and behold) the wrong purpose (not for themselves only bit for the society as well).
People without a purpose. That experiment.
Yes that social experiment we subjected ourselves the last 70 years of human civilization, contrasted with centuries of human civilization before us. But, yes, we know better 😅
As I said a lot of simplistic views here.
"Our mind will decide" (another personification here) you say as if we can "make it our way" as if we can leave outside of preordained cultures, concepts, technologies. Culture is a centuries long river that we float in, and as far as I know, people that thing they are doing "their own thing" are deeper in that human culture than they think they are.
We are merely heirs of notions and meaning. We don't invent them. We can diversify them, enrich them or make them poorer, mix them or change them a bit, but not inventing them. Your goal to be happy through creativity and technology doesn't differ from the Aristotelian approach of happiness (lessen the things that make you feel bad and grow the things to make you feel good) or the primitive tribal worships (make sacrifices to bad spirits to heart them less and to good spirits to help you more) - well, Christianity is documentably (at least in principal) different from those approaches.
Now to the simplifying of human life to "food and shelter to not die".
Our genes are not only to survival but to survival and/or efficiency.
That means:
I live, and then,
I live better, and then,
I want to live even better, and then ,
I want to live better than you etc..
But it's not even that simple.
Because then ideology (it's when ideas' *purpose* stop being to solve problems, but to ensure ideas' survival and prolongment) kicks in.
Why Hitler or Netanyahu or Stalin or Mao or western or eastern colonizers (I don't know, pick your bad guy here) did what they did?
Their food was in the table already.
On the contrary, their obedient servants' food and life would be in danger of they didn't follow their orders and kill/destroy whatever. We know what nature would tell us about that: "Survive at any cost, even it it means obay blindly orders".
This is why we should care (not judge) what other people values are.
Because every personal choise you make gets to be a social behavior in the end.
The guy sitting in his basement, masturbating watching porn is a member of our community, as well.
Materialism is easy, but how you prevent that for becoming nihilism (the difference between "why I should help granny to pass the road" and "I will kick her ass because I think it's funny or even profitable".
This is why we need (much hated nowadays) role models.
Give me a book to read so I will be kind, or simple, or helping, or modest.
It doesn't work that way. You need to live close to people who are kind, or modest or generous to learn how to be one.
And if your parents weren't that way, society has to provide some role models for you.
People of the modern society.
The only people ever existed who don't have a purpose and don't know how to find any or declare that don't need to (maybe it's the same thing).
As I said, a very complicated issue.
In my opinion the statement "I ll do it my way" is a delusion.
It's not "weather" you are following a culture, a tradition, a role model, but which on of them you are following.