supdave98 on Nostr: Semantic stop sign…it was not my intent to end constructive thought or reason. When ...
Semantic stop sign…it was not my intent to end constructive thought or reason. When a Christian starts with “God says”, means I am appealing to an external standard, one that exists outside the system you are measuring. That is my point of origin. In order to determine good or bad, you must have an objective standard by which you measure thought or action. You disagree with my starting point, but the argument itself is internally consistent.
I think your main goal is to identify hypocrisy. Understandable. If you can find hypocritical or inconsistent commands of God in the Bible, your point is proven. Which I think was your original point about ham on Easter. But how do you know hypocrisy is wrong? Is it really? where does that come from? The consistent answer I make is that you are made in the image of God. God does not approve of hypocrisy.
Morality being produced by democratic vote or what is pragmatic for that society has produced far more hypocrisy and evil as it changes with the those in power or with the weather. In some societies, child murder was acceptable for worship, even Israel engaged in it, but it is objectively always wrong.
On Satan….According to the Genesis account, Satan deceived the first parents, our representative head, and condemned all succeeding generations to death. Jesus calls him a murder from the beginning. So, no, Satan has far more blood…all that blood on his hands. Killing and causing suffering out of hatred for God and God’s Creation. God provides redemption in Christ. He is just and will punish evil, but provides a way back to Him which shows He is also merciful.
On Lot, Lot was righteous, but also a weak and fooling man to try to lead his family in a terrible environment. Bad call. So affected were his daughters by that city that they thought it was a good idea to get their father stone drunk and date rape him. Their actions produced some horrible enemy nations for Israel, the Moabites and Ammonites. Lot’s foolishness and his daughters’ gross perversion created generational problems. Descriptive not prescriptive. In fact, the story is a warning. Lot was a good man and tried to do good, but made some stupid choices and it really affected his family.
However, there is a note of God’s redemption even in this horrible sin, Ruth the Moabite became a wonderful example of the redemptive love of God. She was in the line of King David and even Christ Himself. God can use even gross sin for noble things.
I am sure you will reference a story I have no answer for, but that would be my failing. Not the Bible’s. I think it would be a far better use of your obviously sharp and introspectional mind to ask why you know hypocrisy is wrong or why you want to be a good father. Is it just what everybody thinks? Is it just what makes society run well?
Well, then who defines what running well looks like? It’s a never-ending subjective black hole.
I think your main goal is to identify hypocrisy. Understandable. If you can find hypocritical or inconsistent commands of God in the Bible, your point is proven. Which I think was your original point about ham on Easter. But how do you know hypocrisy is wrong? Is it really? where does that come from? The consistent answer I make is that you are made in the image of God. God does not approve of hypocrisy.
Morality being produced by democratic vote or what is pragmatic for that society has produced far more hypocrisy and evil as it changes with the those in power or with the weather. In some societies, child murder was acceptable for worship, even Israel engaged in it, but it is objectively always wrong.
On Satan….According to the Genesis account, Satan deceived the first parents, our representative head, and condemned all succeeding generations to death. Jesus calls him a murder from the beginning. So, no, Satan has far more blood…all that blood on his hands. Killing and causing suffering out of hatred for God and God’s Creation. God provides redemption in Christ. He is just and will punish evil, but provides a way back to Him which shows He is also merciful.
On Lot, Lot was righteous, but also a weak and fooling man to try to lead his family in a terrible environment. Bad call. So affected were his daughters by that city that they thought it was a good idea to get their father stone drunk and date rape him. Their actions produced some horrible enemy nations for Israel, the Moabites and Ammonites. Lot’s foolishness and his daughters’ gross perversion created generational problems. Descriptive not prescriptive. In fact, the story is a warning. Lot was a good man and tried to do good, but made some stupid choices and it really affected his family.
However, there is a note of God’s redemption even in this horrible sin, Ruth the Moabite became a wonderful example of the redemptive love of God. She was in the line of King David and even Christ Himself. God can use even gross sin for noble things.
I am sure you will reference a story I have no answer for, but that would be my failing. Not the Bible’s. I think it would be a far better use of your obviously sharp and introspectional mind to ask why you know hypocrisy is wrong or why you want to be a good father. Is it just what everybody thinks? Is it just what makes society run well?
Well, then who defines what running well looks like? It’s a never-ending subjective black hole.