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Original date posted:2020-09-30
đ Original message:ZmnSCPxj,
No, it would be better to use parachains for Mars.
-Mike Brooks
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:31 PM ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At this point very little is stopping us from speeding up block
> creation times. PoS networks are proving that conformations can be a minute
> or less - why not allow for a block formation time that is 6 or 12 times
> faster than the current target and have 1/6th (or 1/12th) of the subsidy to
> keep an identical inflation target.
>
> What?
>
> That is surprising information to me.
>
> My understanding is that speeding up block creation times is highly risky
> due to increasing the tendency to "race" in mining.
>
> The average time to propagate to all miners should be negligible to the
> average inter-block time.
> Efforts like compact blocks and FIBRE already work at the very edges of
> our capability to keep the propagation time negligible.
>
> Indeed, looking forward, part of my plans for Earth-based civilization
> involves sending out hapless humans into space and forcing them to survive
> there, thus the inter-block time may need to be *increased* in
> consideration of interplanetary communications times, otherwise Bitcoin
> would dangerously centralize around Earth, potentially leading to the
> Universal Century and awesome giant robot battles.
>
> (Hmmm, on the one hand, centralizing around Earth is dangerous, on the
> other hand, giant robots, hmmm)
>
> "PoS" networks mean nothing, as most of them are not global in the scale
> that Bitcoin is, and all of them have a very different block discovery
> model from proof-of-work.
> In particular, I believe there is no "racing" involved in most PoS schemes
> in practice.
>
> >
> > ⌠The really interesting part is the doors that this patch opens.
> Bitcoin is the best network, we have the most miners and we as developers
> have the opportunity to build an even better system - all with incremental
> soft-forks - which is so exciting.
>
> Changing inter-block times is not possible as a softfork, unless you are
> planning to (ab)use the timewarp bug, which I believe was proposed by
> maaku7 before.
> My understanding is that the preferred approach would be to close the
> timewarp bug, in which case increasing the block rate would not be doable
> as a softfork anymore.
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
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đ Original message:ZmnSCPxj,
No, it would be better to use parachains for Mars.
-Mike Brooks
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:31 PM ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At this point very little is stopping us from speeding up block
> creation times. PoS networks are proving that conformations can be a minute
> or less - why not allow for a block formation time that is 6 or 12 times
> faster than the current target and have 1/6th (or 1/12th) of the subsidy to
> keep an identical inflation target.
>
> What?
>
> That is surprising information to me.
>
> My understanding is that speeding up block creation times is highly risky
> due to increasing the tendency to "race" in mining.
>
> The average time to propagate to all miners should be negligible to the
> average inter-block time.
> Efforts like compact blocks and FIBRE already work at the very edges of
> our capability to keep the propagation time negligible.
>
> Indeed, looking forward, part of my plans for Earth-based civilization
> involves sending out hapless humans into space and forcing them to survive
> there, thus the inter-block time may need to be *increased* in
> consideration of interplanetary communications times, otherwise Bitcoin
> would dangerously centralize around Earth, potentially leading to the
> Universal Century and awesome giant robot battles.
>
> (Hmmm, on the one hand, centralizing around Earth is dangerous, on the
> other hand, giant robots, hmmm)
>
> "PoS" networks mean nothing, as most of them are not global in the scale
> that Bitcoin is, and all of them have a very different block discovery
> model from proof-of-work.
> In particular, I believe there is no "racing" involved in most PoS schemes
> in practice.
>
> >
> > ⌠The really interesting part is the doors that this patch opens.
> Bitcoin is the best network, we have the most miners and we as developers
> have the opportunity to build an even better system - all with incremental
> soft-forks - which is so exciting.
>
> Changing inter-block times is not possible as a softfork, unless you are
> planning to (ab)use the timewarp bug, which I believe was proposed by
> maaku7 before.
> My understanding is that the preferred approach would be to close the
> timewarp bug, in which case increasing the block rate would not be doable
> as a softfork anymore.
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
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