Geir Harald Hansen [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2015-12-27 📝 Original message:Last I heard it was ...
📅 Original date posted:2015-12-27
📝 Original message:Last I heard it was believed the miner had made their own mining client
and that the block withholding was a bug, not an intended feature.
On 26.12.2015 09:12, Multipool Admin via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Any attempt to 'fix' this problem, would most likely require changes to
> all mining software, why not just make mining more decentralized in general?
>
> For example, allow anyone to submit proofs of work to Bitcoind that are
> some fraction of the network difficulty and receive payment for them if
> they're valid. This would also encourage the proliferation of full
> nodes since anyone could solo mine again. Then, the next coinbase
> transaction could be split among, say, the top 100 proofs of work.
>
> Eligius already does their miner payouts like this.
>
> If you want to fix an issue with mining, fix the selfish mining issue
> first as it's a much larger and more dangerous potential issue.
>
> I don't believe it was ever clearly established whether Eligius suffered
> a block withholding attack or was just the victim of a miner with (what
> was, at the time) a large amount of faulty hardware, however, from the
> Bitcointalk threads at the time I believe it was assumed to be the latter.
>
> --Adam
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 07:43:59PM -0800, Chris Priest via
> bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Then shouldn't this be something the pool deals with, not the bitcoin protocol?
>
> There is no known way for pools - especially ones that allow anonymous
> hashers - to effectively prevent block withholding attacks without
> changing the Bitcoin protocol.
>
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📝 Original message:Last I heard it was believed the miner had made their own mining client
and that the block withholding was a bug, not an intended feature.
On 26.12.2015 09:12, Multipool Admin via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Any attempt to 'fix' this problem, would most likely require changes to
> all mining software, why not just make mining more decentralized in general?
>
> For example, allow anyone to submit proofs of work to Bitcoind that are
> some fraction of the network difficulty and receive payment for them if
> they're valid. This would also encourage the proliferation of full
> nodes since anyone could solo mine again. Then, the next coinbase
> transaction could be split among, say, the top 100 proofs of work.
>
> Eligius already does their miner payouts like this.
>
> If you want to fix an issue with mining, fix the selfish mining issue
> first as it's a much larger and more dangerous potential issue.
>
> I don't believe it was ever clearly established whether Eligius suffered
> a block withholding attack or was just the victim of a miner with (what
> was, at the time) a large amount of faulty hardware, however, from the
> Bitcointalk threads at the time I believe it was assumed to be the latter.
>
> --Adam
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 07:43:59PM -0800, Chris Priest via
> bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Then shouldn't this be something the pool deals with, not the bitcoin protocol?
>
> There is no known way for pools - especially ones that allow anonymous
> hashers - to effectively prevent block withholding attacks without
> changing the Bitcoin protocol.
>
> --
> 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org <http://petertodd.org>;
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