kjj [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2011-09-15 🗒️ Summary of this message: Luke-Jr argues ...
📅 Original date posted:2011-09-15
🗒️ Summary of this message: Luke-Jr argues that penalizing "non-standard" transactions or those with insufficient fees is not fair, as it is a policy decision, not a protocol violation. However, Gavin Andresen believes that assigning a point or two of badness to a peer sending one is reasonable.
📝 Original message:Luke-Jr wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:56:24 AM kjj wrote:
>> Luke-Jr wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:57:00 PM Gavin Andresen wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for review of this pull request:
>>>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/517
>>> "Non-standard" transactions, or those with "insufficient" fees should not
>>> be penalised. These are properly relay/miner policy decisions, not
>>> protocol violations, and should be made more easily configurable, not
>>> punished for configuration.
>> A few non-standard transactions are probably legitimate. A whole bunch
>> of them are probably not. I would think that assigning a point or two
>> of badness to a peer sending one is pretty reasonable, with the
>> understanding that we would need to adjust that as the network evolves.
> No. There is no such thing as "non-standard transactions" really; it is simply
> "transactions outside of the bounds that I as a user/miner will relay/accept".
> It is perfectly legitimate for other users/miners to relay/accept transactions
> more liberally. By penalising for transactions falling outside of your
> *personal policies*, you would end up banning many legitimate nodes.
It is certainly true that standardness is an artificial construct that
only has meaning to this particular implementation of the software, but
no meaning in the context of the protocol or the system as a whole.
On the other hand, the vast, vast majority of all transactions follow a
particular pattern. If someone gives you one that doesn't match the
standard pattern, you might be a little suspicious, but it is no big
deal. But, if they emit dozens or hundreds, it is hardly unreasonable
to disconnect them until you figure out what's going on.
🗒️ Summary of this message: Luke-Jr argues that penalizing "non-standard" transactions or those with insufficient fees is not fair, as it is a policy decision, not a protocol violation. However, Gavin Andresen believes that assigning a point or two of badness to a peer sending one is reasonable.
📝 Original message:Luke-Jr wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:56:24 AM kjj wrote:
>> Luke-Jr wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:57:00 PM Gavin Andresen wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for review of this pull request:
>>>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/517
>>> "Non-standard" transactions, or those with "insufficient" fees should not
>>> be penalised. These are properly relay/miner policy decisions, not
>>> protocol violations, and should be made more easily configurable, not
>>> punished for configuration.
>> A few non-standard transactions are probably legitimate. A whole bunch
>> of them are probably not. I would think that assigning a point or two
>> of badness to a peer sending one is pretty reasonable, with the
>> understanding that we would need to adjust that as the network evolves.
> No. There is no such thing as "non-standard transactions" really; it is simply
> "transactions outside of the bounds that I as a user/miner will relay/accept".
> It is perfectly legitimate for other users/miners to relay/accept transactions
> more liberally. By penalising for transactions falling outside of your
> *personal policies*, you would end up banning many legitimate nodes.
It is certainly true that standardness is an artificial construct that
only has meaning to this particular implementation of the software, but
no meaning in the context of the protocol or the system as a whole.
On the other hand, the vast, vast majority of all transactions follow a
particular pattern. If someone gives you one that doesn't match the
standard pattern, you might be a little suspicious, but it is no big
deal. But, if they emit dozens or hundreds, it is hardly unreasonable
to disconnect them until you figure out what's going on.