Ryan Carboni [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2013-12-24 📝 Original message:Maybe it's because the ...
📅 Original date posted:2013-12-24
📝 Original message:Maybe it's because the arguments being presented are nonsensical and
irrelevant to the current Bitcoin network topology, composed of a small
number of mining pools, not solo miners? Furthermore I think people would
realize that their mining pool has gone "off the reservation" so to speak.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Allen Piscitello <
allen.piscitello at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> Why do you continue to try to correct people who clearly have put more
> thought into this than you? Everyone understood you just fine, you just
> seem to have trouble comprehending why your ideas are terrible.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Ryan Carboni <ryan.jc.pc at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think you misunderstood my statement. If time > 3 days, and after 4
>> blocks have been mined, then difficulty would be reset.
>>
>> In theory, one would have to isolate roughly one percent of the Bitcoin
>> network's hashing power to do so. Which would indicate an attack by a state
>> actor as opposed to anything else. Arguably, the safest way to run Bitcoin
>> is through a proprietary dial-up network.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Mark Friedenbach <mark at monetize.io>wrote:
>>
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>>> Ryan, these sort of adjustments introduce security risks. If you were
>>> isolated from the main chain by a low-hashpower attacker, how would
>>> you know? They'd need just three days without you noticing that
>>> network block generation has stalled - maybe they wait for a long
>>> weekend - then after that the block rate is normal but completely
>>> controlled by the attacker (and isolated from mainnet).
>>>
>>> There are fast acting alternative difficulty adjustment algorithms
>>> being explored by some alts, such as the 9-block interval, 144-block
>>> window, Parks-McClellan FIR filter used by Freicoin to recover from
>>> just such a mining bubble. If it were to happen to bitcoin, there
>>> would be sophisticated alternative to turn to, and enough time to make
>>> the change.
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2013 07:10 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote:
>>> > I think Bitcoin should have a sanity check: after three days if
>>> > only four blocks have been mined, difficulty should be adjusted
>>> > downwards.
>>> >
>>> > This might become important in the near future. I project a
>>> > Bitcoin mining bubble.
>>> >
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>>
>>
>>
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📝 Original message:Maybe it's because the arguments being presented are nonsensical and
irrelevant to the current Bitcoin network topology, composed of a small
number of mining pools, not solo miners? Furthermore I think people would
realize that their mining pool has gone "off the reservation" so to speak.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Allen Piscitello <
allen.piscitello at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> Why do you continue to try to correct people who clearly have put more
> thought into this than you? Everyone understood you just fine, you just
> seem to have trouble comprehending why your ideas are terrible.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Ryan Carboni <ryan.jc.pc at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think you misunderstood my statement. If time > 3 days, and after 4
>> blocks have been mined, then difficulty would be reset.
>>
>> In theory, one would have to isolate roughly one percent of the Bitcoin
>> network's hashing power to do so. Which would indicate an attack by a state
>> actor as opposed to anything else. Arguably, the safest way to run Bitcoin
>> is through a proprietary dial-up network.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Mark Friedenbach <mark at monetize.io>wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Ryan, these sort of adjustments introduce security risks. If you were
>>> isolated from the main chain by a low-hashpower attacker, how would
>>> you know? They'd need just three days without you noticing that
>>> network block generation has stalled - maybe they wait for a long
>>> weekend - then after that the block rate is normal but completely
>>> controlled by the attacker (and isolated from mainnet).
>>>
>>> There are fast acting alternative difficulty adjustment algorithms
>>> being explored by some alts, such as the 9-block interval, 144-block
>>> window, Parks-McClellan FIR filter used by Freicoin to recover from
>>> just such a mining bubble. If it were to happen to bitcoin, there
>>> would be sophisticated alternative to turn to, and enough time to make
>>> the change.
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2013 07:10 PM, Ryan Carboni wrote:
>>> > I think Bitcoin should have a sanity check: after three days if
>>> > only four blocks have been mined, difficulty should be adjusted
>>> > downwards.
>>> >
>>> > This might become important in the near future. I project a
>>> > Bitcoin mining bubble.
>>> >
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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