Aymeric Vitte [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2023-02-17 🗒️ Summary of this message: Aymeric is ...
📅 Original date posted:2023-02-17
🗒️ Summary of this message: Aymeric is unsure about a proposed solution to require all data in the op_return output and add a required op_return_hash field.
📝 Original message:Hi Claus,
Thanks but I am not sure to understand the solution, how the transaction
will look like and will it be standard ?
Regards
Aymeric
Le 16/02/2023 à 20:59, Claus Ehrenberg a écrit :
> I propose to require all data to be in the op_return output PLUS add a
> required op_return_hash field, which is checked by consensus. So that
> node can re-validate the chain without having to store/download/look
> at the contents of op_return data. The benefit of that little
> redundancy is that "content-sensitive" communities can ignore the date
> they don't like.
>
> Cheers
> Claus
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:30 PM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> It's super unclear how long it could take for such a change to be
> adopted
>
> Then the answer is simple, see:
> https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7#workaround-to-the-80b-op_return-limitation
>
> Outstandingly, very, mega, bad, but working, bringing bitcoin back
> 10 years ago
>
> But why not? If bitcoin folks don't get that we need a 1tx storage
> solution for the future, then let's bring back bitcoin into the
> past and destroy coins
>
> Le 12/02/2023 à 17:23, Aymeric Vitte a écrit :
>>
>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27043#issuecomment-1427069403
>>
>> "What is the process to have someone do the PR for this? Or I do
>> it and most likely it will be a very shxtty one since I am not a
>> C/C++ expert, then wasting the time of everybody
>>
>> It's urgently required, I did consider OP_RETURN as a dart in the
>> past but changed my mind, it's adapted to the current evolutions,
>> not flooding bitcoin with 2 txs while only 1 is needed
>>
>> If not the best 1 tx solution is super simple: store in
>> addresses, and super bad at the end because burning bitcoins,
>> while still not expensive if you don't need to store big things"
>>
>>
>> Le 05/02/2023 à 19:12, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat., Feb. 4, 2023, 21:01 Peter Todd, <pete at petertodd.org
>>> <mailto:pete at petertodd.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor
>>> via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>> >Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in the
>>> script pubkey,
>>> >there is a crossover point in data size where it will
>>> simply be cheaper to
>>> >use witness data. Where that crossover point is depends on
>>> the finer
>>> >details of the overhead of the two methods, but you could
>>> make some
>>> >reasonable assumptions. Such a calculation could form the
>>> basis of a
>>> >reasonable OP_RETURN proposal. I don't know if it would be
>>> persuasive, but
>>> >it would at least be coherent.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying to
>>> carefully argue a specific limit. Let users decide for
>>> themselves how they want to use OpReturn.
>>>
>>>
>>> Even better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>> --
>> Sophia-Antipolis, France
>> CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf
>> LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26
>> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
>> A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7
>> A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7
>> Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet
>> Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
>> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
>> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
>> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com
>> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
>
> --
> Sophia-Antipolis, France
> CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf
> LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26
> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
> A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7
> A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7
> Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet
> Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com
> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
--
Sophia-Antipolis, France
CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf
LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26
GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7
A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7
Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet
Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com
Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
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🗒️ Summary of this message: Aymeric is unsure about a proposed solution to require all data in the op_return output and add a required op_return_hash field.
📝 Original message:Hi Claus,
Thanks but I am not sure to understand the solution, how the transaction
will look like and will it be standard ?
Regards
Aymeric
Le 16/02/2023 à 20:59, Claus Ehrenberg a écrit :
> I propose to require all data to be in the op_return output PLUS add a
> required op_return_hash field, which is checked by consensus. So that
> node can re-validate the chain without having to store/download/look
> at the contents of op_return data. The benefit of that little
> redundancy is that "content-sensitive" communities can ignore the date
> they don't like.
>
> Cheers
> Claus
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:30 PM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> It's super unclear how long it could take for such a change to be
> adopted
>
> Then the answer is simple, see:
> https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7#workaround-to-the-80b-op_return-limitation
>
> Outstandingly, very, mega, bad, but working, bringing bitcoin back
> 10 years ago
>
> But why not? If bitcoin folks don't get that we need a 1tx storage
> solution for the future, then let's bring back bitcoin into the
> past and destroy coins
>
> Le 12/02/2023 à 17:23, Aymeric Vitte a écrit :
>>
>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27043#issuecomment-1427069403
>>
>> "What is the process to have someone do the PR for this? Or I do
>> it and most likely it will be a very shxtty one since I am not a
>> C/C++ expert, then wasting the time of everybody
>>
>> It's urgently required, I did consider OP_RETURN as a dart in the
>> past but changed my mind, it's adapted to the current evolutions,
>> not flooding bitcoin with 2 txs while only 1 is needed
>>
>> If not the best 1 tx solution is super simple: store in
>> addresses, and super bad at the end because burning bitcoins,
>> while still not expensive if you don't need to store big things"
>>
>>
>> Le 05/02/2023 à 19:12, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat., Feb. 4, 2023, 21:01 Peter Todd, <pete at petertodd.org
>>> <mailto:pete at petertodd.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor
>>> via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>> >Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in the
>>> script pubkey,
>>> >there is a crossover point in data size where it will
>>> simply be cheaper to
>>> >use witness data. Where that crossover point is depends on
>>> the finer
>>> >details of the overhead of the two methods, but you could
>>> make some
>>> >reasonable assumptions. Such a calculation could form the
>>> basis of a
>>> >reasonable OP_RETURN proposal. I don't know if it would be
>>> persuasive, but
>>> >it would at least be coherent.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying to
>>> carefully argue a specific limit. Let users decide for
>>> themselves how they want to use OpReturn.
>>>
>>>
>>> Even better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>> --
>> Sophia-Antipolis, France
>> CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf
>> LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26
>> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
>> A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7
>> A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7
>> Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet
>> Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
>> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
>> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
>> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com
>> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
>
> --
> Sophia-Antipolis, France
> CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf
> LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26
> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
> A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7
> A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7
> Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet
> Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com
> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
--
Sophia-Antipolis, France
CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf
LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26
GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7
A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7
Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet
Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.peersm.com
Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
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