Goog on Nostr: I can see how this thinking could look overbroad and yes I should be more specific ...
I can see how this thinking could look overbroad and yes I should be more specific about "Europeans" I mean the Christian religion that came to dominate the land area we call Europe. For a little more context on that thinking.
The first Nations where on this continent long before and while Europe was becoming heavily Christian. It seems to me that the First Nations through their more prevalent cultural ways of thinking and practices where less destructive to their environment than the Christian Europeans to theirs. Maybe it's just that there was way more land here to spread people out. But I suspect it has more to do with different culture and religion than just space.
In terms of "human population management" I agree that can certainly sound unwell. A non gross way to say it might be. A peoples that are individually and collectively sensitive to their surroundings and caring enough to think about whether bringing another life into the fold would be a burden or a welcome addition to their immediate world. Both a burden to that new person and the environment. I think women being treated equally or far more equally and having a culture of birth control would play a large role in that.
To contrast that. I grew up homeschooled and not taught any religion. So I grew up being like "what are these different religions into?" We interacted with a lot of Christian's that where a bit extra. Like I heard parents refer to having a lot of kids as having "a full quiver". Meaning a full quiver of gods arrows. They were not violent but they where literally referring to their kids as weapons for god. Also these where very patriarchal Christians. Growing up I didn't know what that word meant so we just called them sexist. Like one time we tried out a new homeschool group where we met in a church. They separated the kids into boys and girls. My brother and I played basketball and dodgeball and shit in the gym for the 4 hour group. In the car ride back we asked our sister what she did. She said they taught the girls to fold laundry and sew and shit. As a kid I was like wow that's fucked up. We didn't go back.
Describing a Mohawk village in the 1600's sounds a bit like how a large farm family in early colonial America might be. Except they'd most likely be Christian and pumping out as many kids as possible. I'm in eastern Pennsylvania and there are lots of little clusters of stone farm houses that are like within 100 yards of each other. But they didn't move they stayed and kept degrading the land. Living in small villages and being all up in each others businesses seems like a pretty common thing of those times.
Sorry if this was too long, I'd like to be more concise but it's hard.
The first Nations where on this continent long before and while Europe was becoming heavily Christian. It seems to me that the First Nations through their more prevalent cultural ways of thinking and practices where less destructive to their environment than the Christian Europeans to theirs. Maybe it's just that there was way more land here to spread people out. But I suspect it has more to do with different culture and religion than just space.
In terms of "human population management" I agree that can certainly sound unwell. A non gross way to say it might be. A peoples that are individually and collectively sensitive to their surroundings and caring enough to think about whether bringing another life into the fold would be a burden or a welcome addition to their immediate world. Both a burden to that new person and the environment. I think women being treated equally or far more equally and having a culture of birth control would play a large role in that.
To contrast that. I grew up homeschooled and not taught any religion. So I grew up being like "what are these different religions into?" We interacted with a lot of Christian's that where a bit extra. Like I heard parents refer to having a lot of kids as having "a full quiver". Meaning a full quiver of gods arrows. They were not violent but they where literally referring to their kids as weapons for god. Also these where very patriarchal Christians. Growing up I didn't know what that word meant so we just called them sexist. Like one time we tried out a new homeschool group where we met in a church. They separated the kids into boys and girls. My brother and I played basketball and dodgeball and shit in the gym for the 4 hour group. In the car ride back we asked our sister what she did. She said they taught the girls to fold laundry and sew and shit. As a kid I was like wow that's fucked up. We didn't go back.
Describing a Mohawk village in the 1600's sounds a bit like how a large farm family in early colonial America might be. Except they'd most likely be Christian and pumping out as many kids as possible. I'm in eastern Pennsylvania and there are lots of little clusters of stone farm houses that are like within 100 yards of each other. But they didn't move they stayed and kept degrading the land. Living in small villages and being all up in each others businesses seems like a pretty common thing of those times.
Sorry if this was too long, I'd like to be more concise but it's hard.