Tom Trevethan [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2023-07-24 🗒️ Summary of this message: The current ...
📅 Original date posted:2023-07-24
🗒️ Summary of this message: The current statechain protocol requires the sender to sign the statechain with their public key, preventing rogue key attacks and ensuring server cooperation for spending.
📝 Original message:
Hi Eric,
Yes, this was my thinking. The current statechain protocol requires that
the sender of a coin sign the statechain with their public key, which is
then verified by the receiver. The receiver also verifies that this
(sender) public key aggregated with the current server public key
corresponds to the public key (TR address) of the coin. This prevents a
'rogue key' attack by the sender and verifies that this coin cannot be
spent without cooperation of the server.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:25 PM Erik Aronesty <erik at q32.com> wrote:
> as long as all parties provide a proof of secret key along with their
> public key, that should not be possible
>
> or you can do it as a two-step process where all parties provide a
> commitment to the public key and nobody reveals a public key until that
> commitment is received
>
> or if you want to be paranoid you can do both
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 7:00 AM ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Good morning Tom,
>>
>> Would this allow party 2 to itself be composed of N >= 2 parties?
>>
>> MuSig2 (as opposed to MuSig1) requires that signatories provide multiple
>> `R` points, not just one each, which are finally aggregated by first
>> combining them using the MuSig() public key compose function.
>> This prevents party 2 from creating an `R` that may allow it to perform
>> certain attacks whose name escapes me right now but which I used to know.
>> (it is the reason why MuSig1 requires 3 round trips, and why MuSig2
>> requires at least 2 `R` nonces per signatory)
>>
>> Your scheme has only one `R` per party, would it not be vulnerably to
>> that attack?
>>
>> Regards,
>> ZmnSCPxj
>>
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Monday, July 24th, 2023 at 7:46 AM, Tom Trevethan via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > We are implementing a version of 2-of-2 Schnorr Musig2 for statechains
>> where the server (party 1 in the 2-of-2) will be fully 'blinded' - in that
>> it can hold a private key that is required to generate an aggregate
>> signature on an aggregate public key, but that it does not learn either: 1)
>> The aggregate public key 2) The aggregate signature and 3) The message (m)
>> being signed.
>> >
>> > In the model of blinded statechains, the security rests on the
>> statechain server being trusted to report the NUMBER of partial signatures
>> it has generated for a particular key (as opposed to being trusted to
>> enforce rules on WHAT it has signed in the unblinded case) and the full set
>> of signatures generated being verified client side
>> https://github.com/commerceblock/mercury/blob/master/doc/merc_blind.md#blinding-considerations
>> >
>> > Given the 2-of-2 musig2 protocol operates as follows (in the following
>> description, private keys (field elements) are denoted using lower case
>> letters, and elliptic curve points as uppercase letters. G is the generator
>> point and point multiplication denoted as X = xG and point addition as A =
>> G + G):
>> >
>> > Party 1 generates private key x1 and public key X1 = x1G. Party 2
>> generates private key x2 and public key X2 = x2G. The set of pubkeys is L =
>> {X1,X2}. The key aggregation coefficient is KeyAggCoef(L,X) = H(L,X). The
>> shared (aggregate) public key X = a1X1 + a2X2 where a1 = KeyAggCoef(L,X1)
>> and a2 = KeyAggCoef(L,X2).
>> >
>> > To sign a message m, party 1 generates nonce r1 and R1 = r1G. Party 2
>> generates nonce r2 and R2 = r2G. These are aggregated into R = R1 + R2.
>> >
>> > Party 1 then computes 'challenge' c = H(X||R||m) and s1 = c.a1.x1 + r1
>> > Party 2 then computes 'challenge' c = H(X||R||m) and s2 = c.a2.x2 + r2
>> >
>> > The final signature is then (R,s1+s2).
>> >
>> > In the case of blinding this for party 1:
>> >
>> > To prevent party 1 from learning of either the full public key or final
>> signature seems straightforward, if party 1 doesn't not need to
>> independently compute and verify c = H(X||R||m) (as they are blinded from
>> the message in any case).
>> >
>> > 1) Key aggregation is performed only by party 2. Party 1 just sends X1
>> to party 2.
>> > 2) Nonce aggregation is performed only by party 2. Party 1 just sends
>> R1 to party 2.
>> > 3) Party 2 computes c = H(X||R||m) and sends it to party 1 in order to
>> compute s1 = c.a1.x1 + r1
>> >
>> > Party 1 never learns the final value of (R,s1+s2) or m.
>> >
>> > Any comments on this or potential issues would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Tom
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🗒️ Summary of this message: The current statechain protocol requires the sender to sign the statechain with their public key, preventing rogue key attacks and ensuring server cooperation for spending.
📝 Original message:
Hi Eric,
Yes, this was my thinking. The current statechain protocol requires that
the sender of a coin sign the statechain with their public key, which is
then verified by the receiver. The receiver also verifies that this
(sender) public key aggregated with the current server public key
corresponds to the public key (TR address) of the coin. This prevents a
'rogue key' attack by the sender and verifies that this coin cannot be
spent without cooperation of the server.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:25 PM Erik Aronesty <erik at q32.com> wrote:
> as long as all parties provide a proof of secret key along with their
> public key, that should not be possible
>
> or you can do it as a two-step process where all parties provide a
> commitment to the public key and nobody reveals a public key until that
> commitment is received
>
> or if you want to be paranoid you can do both
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 7:00 AM ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Good morning Tom,
>>
>> Would this allow party 2 to itself be composed of N >= 2 parties?
>>
>> MuSig2 (as opposed to MuSig1) requires that signatories provide multiple
>> `R` points, not just one each, which are finally aggregated by first
>> combining them using the MuSig() public key compose function.
>> This prevents party 2 from creating an `R` that may allow it to perform
>> certain attacks whose name escapes me right now but which I used to know.
>> (it is the reason why MuSig1 requires 3 round trips, and why MuSig2
>> requires at least 2 `R` nonces per signatory)
>>
>> Your scheme has only one `R` per party, would it not be vulnerably to
>> that attack?
>>
>> Regards,
>> ZmnSCPxj
>>
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Monday, July 24th, 2023 at 7:46 AM, Tom Trevethan via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > We are implementing a version of 2-of-2 Schnorr Musig2 for statechains
>> where the server (party 1 in the 2-of-2) will be fully 'blinded' - in that
>> it can hold a private key that is required to generate an aggregate
>> signature on an aggregate public key, but that it does not learn either: 1)
>> The aggregate public key 2) The aggregate signature and 3) The message (m)
>> being signed.
>> >
>> > In the model of blinded statechains, the security rests on the
>> statechain server being trusted to report the NUMBER of partial signatures
>> it has generated for a particular key (as opposed to being trusted to
>> enforce rules on WHAT it has signed in the unblinded case) and the full set
>> of signatures generated being verified client side
>> https://github.com/commerceblock/mercury/blob/master/doc/merc_blind.md#blinding-considerations
>> >
>> > Given the 2-of-2 musig2 protocol operates as follows (in the following
>> description, private keys (field elements) are denoted using lower case
>> letters, and elliptic curve points as uppercase letters. G is the generator
>> point and point multiplication denoted as X = xG and point addition as A =
>> G + G):
>> >
>> > Party 1 generates private key x1 and public key X1 = x1G. Party 2
>> generates private key x2 and public key X2 = x2G. The set of pubkeys is L =
>> {X1,X2}. The key aggregation coefficient is KeyAggCoef(L,X) = H(L,X). The
>> shared (aggregate) public key X = a1X1 + a2X2 where a1 = KeyAggCoef(L,X1)
>> and a2 = KeyAggCoef(L,X2).
>> >
>> > To sign a message m, party 1 generates nonce r1 and R1 = r1G. Party 2
>> generates nonce r2 and R2 = r2G. These are aggregated into R = R1 + R2.
>> >
>> > Party 1 then computes 'challenge' c = H(X||R||m) and s1 = c.a1.x1 + r1
>> > Party 2 then computes 'challenge' c = H(X||R||m) and s2 = c.a2.x2 + r2
>> >
>> > The final signature is then (R,s1+s2).
>> >
>> > In the case of blinding this for party 1:
>> >
>> > To prevent party 1 from learning of either the full public key or final
>> signature seems straightforward, if party 1 doesn't not need to
>> independently compute and verify c = H(X||R||m) (as they are blinded from
>> the message in any case).
>> >
>> > 1) Key aggregation is performed only by party 2. Party 1 just sends X1
>> to party 2.
>> > 2) Nonce aggregation is performed only by party 2. Party 1 just sends
>> R1 to party 2.
>> > 3) Party 2 computes c = H(X||R||m) and sends it to party 1 in order to
>> compute s1 = c.a1.x1 + r1
>> >
>> > Party 1 never learns the final value of (R,s1+s2) or m.
>> >
>> > Any comments on this or potential issues would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> _______________________________________________
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>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
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