Christian Decker [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2014-08-06 📝 Original message:+1 for the new field, ...
📅 Original date posted:2014-08-06
📝 Original message:+1 for the new field, overloading fields with new meaning is definitely not
a good idea.
Something like nExpireAt with a block height sounds reasonable to me, but
we need to document that the usual caveats with blockchain reorgs apply.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at bitpay.com> wrote:
> ...because nLockTime is the exact opposite of expiration. A locked TX
> begins life invalid, and becomes valid (not-expired) after nLockTime passes.
>
> A new field containing expiration time would work.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tom Harding <tomh at thinlink.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> How is eventual expiration of a tx that started life with an nLockTime in
>> the future "breaking", any more than any other tx expiring?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2014 6:54 AM, Mike Hearn wrote:
>>
>> We could however introduce a new field in a new tx version. We know we
>> need to rev the format at some point anyway.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at bitpay.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and existing users and uses of nLockTime suddenly become worthless,
>>> breaking payment channel refunds and other active uses of nLockTime.
>>>
>>> You cannot assume the user is around to rewrite their nLockTime, if it
>>> fails to be confirmed before some arbitrary deadline being set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Tom Harding <tomh at thinlink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>> If nLockTime is used for expiration, transaction creator can't lie
>>>> to
>>>> help tx live longer without pushing initial confirmation eligibility
>>>> into the future. Very pretty. It would also enable "fill or kill"
>>>> transactions with a backdated nLockTime, which must be confirmed in a
>>>> few blocks, or start vanishing from mempools.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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📝 Original message:+1 for the new field, overloading fields with new meaning is definitely not
a good idea.
Something like nExpireAt with a block height sounds reasonable to me, but
we need to document that the usual caveats with blockchain reorgs apply.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at bitpay.com> wrote:
> ...because nLockTime is the exact opposite of expiration. A locked TX
> begins life invalid, and becomes valid (not-expired) after nLockTime passes.
>
> A new field containing expiration time would work.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tom Harding <tomh at thinlink.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> How is eventual expiration of a tx that started life with an nLockTime in
>> the future "breaking", any more than any other tx expiring?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2014 6:54 AM, Mike Hearn wrote:
>>
>> We could however introduce a new field in a new tx version. We know we
>> need to rev the format at some point anyway.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at bitpay.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and existing users and uses of nLockTime suddenly become worthless,
>>> breaking payment channel refunds and other active uses of nLockTime.
>>>
>>> You cannot assume the user is around to rewrite their nLockTime, if it
>>> fails to be confirmed before some arbitrary deadline being set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Tom Harding <tomh at thinlink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>> If nLockTime is used for expiration, transaction creator can't lie
>>>> to
>>>> help tx live longer without pushing initial confirmation eligibility
>>>> into the future. Very pretty. It would also enable "fill or kill"
>>>> transactions with a backdated nLockTime, which must be confirmed in a
>>>> few blocks, or start vanishing from mempools.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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> Jeff Garzik
> Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
> BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/
>
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