Cal3b on Nostr: nostr:note1gra0nqyratnj2s7a9nucw8q4fymrc3m9qahyd5jnwctsucdh0vas84pwsf

quoting note1gra…pwsf

Who was a lying murderer from the beginning?
Who was Jesus talking about?

"You are of your father the devil...
He was a murderer from the beginning...
He is a liar and the father of lies."
- John 8:44

To answer this questions we need to know;
1. Who was Jesus speaking to? ("Your father...")
2. Who was committing murder from the beginning?
3. Who was lying from the beginning?

The first one should be easy, Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees [Jewish Leaders]. Everyone knows who the Jews' Father is - it's YHWH.

The second AND third one are linked.
Let's see it in the text for ourselves...

Firstly, YHWH commanded Adam [mankind] not to eat from the tree of knowledge;

And the Lord God [YHWH Elohim] commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
- Genesis 2:16–17

In contrast, the nachash stated that they won't die;

But the serpent [nachash] said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God [Elohim] knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God [Elohim], knowing good and evil.”
- Genesis 3:4–5

The end result was interesting;

...she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened...
- Genesis 3:6–7

Remember, YHWH said "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" - did they die on that day of eating it? No, no they did not.

How do we know this? Because we see that Adam lived for hundreds of years after this event - he had his son Seth at the age of 130 and later died at 930 years of age;

When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
- Genesis 5:3–5

So, who died, and how did they die?
Adam died, but not the day they ate from the tree of knowledge.
They died because YHWH prevented them access to the tree of life;

Then the Lord God [YHWH Elohim] said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” therefore the Lord God [YHWH Elohim] sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.
- Genesis 3:22–24

This answers both questions 2 and 3;
Who lied?
Who murdered?
YHWH said they would die in that day, they did not.
YHWH sent them away and prevented access to the tree of life (to die).

This is now extremely unsettling to many people.
We have just found out that YHWH lied and arranged their death.
Is this true? Read it in your own Bible.

Looping it back to the questions
1. Who was Jesus speaking to? The Jews, whose Father is YHWH
2. Who was committing murder from the beginning? YHWH
3. Who was lying from the beginning? YHWH

This means Jesus was literally calling YHWH the Devil/Satan.
This lines up also with what took place in Eden, as seen above.

Sadly, this Eden event isn't the only time we see YHWH lying and murdering.