Melvin Carvalho [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2013-08-09 📝 Original message:On 9 August 2013 13:43, ...
📅 Original date posted:2013-08-09
📝 Original message:On 9 August 2013 13:43, Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net> wrote:
> This is just me making notes for myself, I'm not seriously suggesting this
> be implemented any time soon.
>
> Mozilla Persona is an infrastructure for web based single sign on. It
> works by having email providers sign temporary certificates for their
> users, whose browsers then sign server-provided challenges to prove their
> email address.
>
> Because an SSO system is a classic chicken/egg setup, they run various
> fallback services that allow anyone with an email address to take part.
> They also integrate with the Google/Yahoo SSO systems as well. The
> intention being that they do this until Persona becomes big enough to
> matter, and then they can remove the centralised struts and the system
> becomes transparently decentralised.
>
> In other words, they seem to do a lot of things right.
>
> Of course you can already sign payments using an X.509 cert issued to an
> email address with v1 of the payment protocol, so technically no new PKI is
> needed. But the benefit of leveraging Persona would be convenience - you
> can get yourself a Persona cert and use it to sign in to websites with a
> single click, and the user experience is smart and professional. CAs in
> contrast are designed for web site admins really so the experience of
> getting a cert for an email address is rather variable and more heavyweight.
>
> Unfortunately Persona does not use X.509. It uses a custom thing based on
> JSON. However, under the hood it's just assertions signed by RSA keys, so
> an implementation is likely to be quite easy. From the users perspective,
> their wallet app would embed a browser and drive it as if it were signing
> into a website, but stop after the user is signed into Persona and a user
> cert has been provisioned. It can then sign payment requests automatically.
> For many users, it'd be just one click, which is pretty neat.
>
Persona, in it's current state, is the exact opposite of the principle
behind of bitcoin.
Bitcoin sought to reduce dependence on trusted third parties, where as,
persona is increasing the reach of trusted third parties. The keys and
passwords are stored on mozilla's servers, sometimes on your email
providers. Persona, is however, a progression and will hopefully improve
its security and decentralization as it goes along.
A (client or server side) X.509 cert can be issued to any address, be it
email, telephone, webpage, *or* to a bitcoin address, it allows any URI in
he subjectAlternativeName field. This is much more of bitcoin like model
where the private key sits on your client and the public key is in
discoverable by the other end.
Most enterprises (including Mozilla) take the stance that key management on
the client is beyond the average user. The notable exception is twitter
who are rolling out 2 factor auth based on PKI.
If you're interested in signing stuff with RSA (or other) keys, the web
payments and payswarm guys have done a ton of work on this, including
implementations, which you may be able to reuse ...
>
>
>
>
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📝 Original message:On 9 August 2013 13:43, Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net> wrote:
> This is just me making notes for myself, I'm not seriously suggesting this
> be implemented any time soon.
>
> Mozilla Persona is an infrastructure for web based single sign on. It
> works by having email providers sign temporary certificates for their
> users, whose browsers then sign server-provided challenges to prove their
> email address.
>
> Because an SSO system is a classic chicken/egg setup, they run various
> fallback services that allow anyone with an email address to take part.
> They also integrate with the Google/Yahoo SSO systems as well. The
> intention being that they do this until Persona becomes big enough to
> matter, and then they can remove the centralised struts and the system
> becomes transparently decentralised.
>
> In other words, they seem to do a lot of things right.
>
> Of course you can already sign payments using an X.509 cert issued to an
> email address with v1 of the payment protocol, so technically no new PKI is
> needed. But the benefit of leveraging Persona would be convenience - you
> can get yourself a Persona cert and use it to sign in to websites with a
> single click, and the user experience is smart and professional. CAs in
> contrast are designed for web site admins really so the experience of
> getting a cert for an email address is rather variable and more heavyweight.
>
> Unfortunately Persona does not use X.509. It uses a custom thing based on
> JSON. However, under the hood it's just assertions signed by RSA keys, so
> an implementation is likely to be quite easy. From the users perspective,
> their wallet app would embed a browser and drive it as if it were signing
> into a website, but stop after the user is signed into Persona and a user
> cert has been provisioned. It can then sign payment requests automatically.
> For many users, it'd be just one click, which is pretty neat.
>
Persona, in it's current state, is the exact opposite of the principle
behind of bitcoin.
Bitcoin sought to reduce dependence on trusted third parties, where as,
persona is increasing the reach of trusted third parties. The keys and
passwords are stored on mozilla's servers, sometimes on your email
providers. Persona, is however, a progression and will hopefully improve
its security and decentralization as it goes along.
A (client or server side) X.509 cert can be issued to any address, be it
email, telephone, webpage, *or* to a bitcoin address, it allows any URI in
he subjectAlternativeName field. This is much more of bitcoin like model
where the private key sits on your client and the public key is in
discoverable by the other end.
Most enterprises (including Mozilla) take the stance that key management on
the client is beyond the average user. The notable exception is twitter
who are rolling out 2 factor auth based on PKI.
If you're interested in signing stuff with RSA (or other) keys, the web
payments and payswarm guys have done a ton of work on this, including
implementations, which you may be able to reuse ...
>
>
>
>
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> It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production.
> Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% overhead.
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