ZmnSCPxj [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2019-12-09 📝 Original message:Good morning Pieter, > Hi ...
📅 Original date posted:2019-12-09
📝 Original message:Good morning Pieter,
> Hi all,
>
> I've made a writeup on Bech32's detection abilities, analysing how it
> behaves in the presence of not just substitution errors, but also
> swapping of characters, and insertions and deletions:
> https://gist.github.com/sipa/a9845b37c1b298a7301c33a04090b2eb
>
> It shows that the "insert or delete a 'q' right before a final 'p'" is
> in fact the only deviation from the expected at-most-1-in-a-billion
> failure to detect chance, at least when restricted to the classes of
> errors analyzed with various uniformity assumptions. There is some
> future work left, such as analyzing combinations of insertions and
> substitutions, but I would be surprising if additional weaknesses
> exist there.
>
> It also shows that changing one constant in Bech32 would resolve this
> issue, while not affecting the error detection properties for other
> classes of errors.
>
> So my suggestion for the next steps are:
>
> - Update BIP173 to include the insertion weakness as an erratum, and
> the results of this analysis.
>
To clarify, this step does not modify anything about the implementation of BIP173, only adds this as an additional erratum section?
> - Amend segwit addresses (either by amending BIP173, or by writing a
> short updated BIP to modify it) to be restricted to only length 20 or
> 32 (as fixed-length strings are unaffected by the insertion issue, and
> I don't think inserting 20 characters is an interesting error class).
To clarify, this refers to all SegWit address versions from 1 to 15, as this restriction exists for SegWit address v0?
>
> - Define a variant of Bech32 with the modified constant, so that
> non-BIP173 uses of Bech32 can choose a non-impacted version if they
> worry about this class of errors.
>
Okay, this probably needs to be raised in lightning-dev as well, for invoice formats, as well as planned offers feature.
By my understanding, best practice for readers of Bech32-based formats would be something like the below:
1. Define two variants of checksum, the current Bech32 checksum and the modified Bech32 checksum.
2. Support both variants (software tries one first, then tries the other if it fails).
3. Flag or signal some deprecation warning if current Bech32 checksum was detected.
4. At some undefined point in the future, drop support for the current Bech32 checksum.
> - Later, if and when we expect a need for non-32-byte witness programs
> in the medium term, define an updated segwit address scheme that uses
> the modified Bech32 variant.
Okay, so we will only use the modified Bech32 if and only if we expect to need a non-32-byte witness program for a particular non-0 SegWit version.
Regards,
ZmnSCPxj
📝 Original message:Good morning Pieter,
> Hi all,
>
> I've made a writeup on Bech32's detection abilities, analysing how it
> behaves in the presence of not just substitution errors, but also
> swapping of characters, and insertions and deletions:
> https://gist.github.com/sipa/a9845b37c1b298a7301c33a04090b2eb
>
> It shows that the "insert or delete a 'q' right before a final 'p'" is
> in fact the only deviation from the expected at-most-1-in-a-billion
> failure to detect chance, at least when restricted to the classes of
> errors analyzed with various uniformity assumptions. There is some
> future work left, such as analyzing combinations of insertions and
> substitutions, but I would be surprising if additional weaknesses
> exist there.
>
> It also shows that changing one constant in Bech32 would resolve this
> issue, while not affecting the error detection properties for other
> classes of errors.
>
> So my suggestion for the next steps are:
>
> - Update BIP173 to include the insertion weakness as an erratum, and
> the results of this analysis.
>
To clarify, this step does not modify anything about the implementation of BIP173, only adds this as an additional erratum section?
> - Amend segwit addresses (either by amending BIP173, or by writing a
> short updated BIP to modify it) to be restricted to only length 20 or
> 32 (as fixed-length strings are unaffected by the insertion issue, and
> I don't think inserting 20 characters is an interesting error class).
To clarify, this refers to all SegWit address versions from 1 to 15, as this restriction exists for SegWit address v0?
>
> - Define a variant of Bech32 with the modified constant, so that
> non-BIP173 uses of Bech32 can choose a non-impacted version if they
> worry about this class of errors.
>
Okay, this probably needs to be raised in lightning-dev as well, for invoice formats, as well as planned offers feature.
By my understanding, best practice for readers of Bech32-based formats would be something like the below:
1. Define two variants of checksum, the current Bech32 checksum and the modified Bech32 checksum.
2. Support both variants (software tries one first, then tries the other if it fails).
3. Flag or signal some deprecation warning if current Bech32 checksum was detected.
4. At some undefined point in the future, drop support for the current Bech32 checksum.
> - Later, if and when we expect a need for non-32-byte witness programs
> in the medium term, define an updated segwit address scheme that uses
> the modified Bech32 variant.
Okay, so we will only use the modified Bech32 if and only if we expect to need a non-32-byte witness program for a particular non-0 SegWit version.
Regards,
ZmnSCPxj