Mike Hearn [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2014-03-20 📝 Original message:With Java, in theory, you ...
📅 Original date posted:2014-03-20
📝 Original message:With Java, in theory, you can use SSLSocketFactory.createSocket(btsocket,
address, 1234, true) to wrap a bluetooth socket in SSL. However I have not
tried it.
For now, just prototype and build your product without the security. We can
find someone to experiment with this, if you don't want to .
Bluetooth needs encryption and MACs as well as signing to be secure,
because there could be radio MITM. Yes, this overlaps somewhat with the PKI
signing in BIP70, but not entirely - you might want to serve unsigned
payment requests, but still have confidentiality and authenticity for a
local face to face transaction. The signing and encryption does different
things.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Alex Kotenko <alexykot at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, is there any other way to do it? Can we provide a signed payment
> request and verify the sign on receiving side and this way protect from
> bluetooth MitM attack? Quick googling showed that SSL over bluetooth isn't
> a very well developed area, and my own skills are not enough to quickly
> implement a reliable secure solution here.
>
>
> 2014-03-20 10:36 GMT+00:00 Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net>:
>
>> Encoding entire payment requests into qrcodes is definitely not the way
>> to go. They can already be large when signed and we're just at the start of
>> adding features.
>>
>> Finishing off and standardising the bluetooth support is the way to go
>> (r=bt:mac). Andreas' app already has some support for this I believe, so
>> Alex you could prototype with that, but we need to:
>>
>> 1) Add an encryption/auth layer on top, because it runs over RFCOMM
>> sockets. The authentication would require proof of owning the Bitcoin key
>> that's in the address part of the URI (which is needed for backwards compat
>> anyway).
>>
>> 2) Write a BIP for it and make sure it's interoperable
>>
>> For the auth layer we could either use SSL and then just ignore the
>> server certificate and require signing of the session public key with the
>> Bitcoin key, which should be easy to code up but is rather heavy on the
>> air, or roll a custom lightweight thing where we just do a basic ECDH, with
>> the servers key being the same as the address key. But rolling such
>> protocols is subtle and I guess it'd need to be reviewed by people familiar
>> with such things.
>>
>> This feels like a good opportunity to grow the community - perhaps we can
>> find a volunteer in the forums who enjoys crypto.
>>
>>
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📝 Original message:With Java, in theory, you can use SSLSocketFactory.createSocket(btsocket,
address, 1234, true) to wrap a bluetooth socket in SSL. However I have not
tried it.
For now, just prototype and build your product without the security. We can
find someone to experiment with this, if you don't want to .
Bluetooth needs encryption and MACs as well as signing to be secure,
because there could be radio MITM. Yes, this overlaps somewhat with the PKI
signing in BIP70, but not entirely - you might want to serve unsigned
payment requests, but still have confidentiality and authenticity for a
local face to face transaction. The signing and encryption does different
things.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Alex Kotenko <alexykot at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, is there any other way to do it? Can we provide a signed payment
> request and verify the sign on receiving side and this way protect from
> bluetooth MitM attack? Quick googling showed that SSL over bluetooth isn't
> a very well developed area, and my own skills are not enough to quickly
> implement a reliable secure solution here.
>
>
> 2014-03-20 10:36 GMT+00:00 Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net>:
>
>> Encoding entire payment requests into qrcodes is definitely not the way
>> to go. They can already be large when signed and we're just at the start of
>> adding features.
>>
>> Finishing off and standardising the bluetooth support is the way to go
>> (r=bt:mac). Andreas' app already has some support for this I believe, so
>> Alex you could prototype with that, but we need to:
>>
>> 1) Add an encryption/auth layer on top, because it runs over RFCOMM
>> sockets. The authentication would require proof of owning the Bitcoin key
>> that's in the address part of the URI (which is needed for backwards compat
>> anyway).
>>
>> 2) Write a BIP for it and make sure it's interoperable
>>
>> For the auth layer we could either use SSL and then just ignore the
>> server certificate and require signing of the session public key with the
>> Bitcoin key, which should be easy to code up but is rather heavy on the
>> air, or roll a custom lightweight thing where we just do a basic ECDH, with
>> the servers key being the same as the address key. But rolling such
>> protocols is subtle and I guess it'd need to be reviewed by people familiar
>> with such things.
>>
>> This feels like a good opportunity to grow the community - perhaps we can
>> find a volunteer in the forums who enjoys crypto.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book
>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their
>> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,
>> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>> Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>>
>>
>
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