Pieter Wuille [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2021-12-12 📝 Original message:On Sunday, December 12th, ...
📅 Original date posted:2021-12-12
📝 Original message:On Sunday, December 12th, 2021 at 9:23 AM, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Using the Tor network to bypass censorship for bitcoin can work but is a very poor solution, the Tor network is very centralized, very small, watched and controlled, with plenty of features that do not apply to other protocols than those made to be used with the Tor Browser, Pieter gave a simple example, that you can solve easily changing the circuits, the problem remains that you really need to be a super expert to escape all the dangers of the Tor network, not even sure it's possible unless you use something else than the Tor project code
FWIW, I wasn't talking about anything related to Tor's protocol or organization at all. What I meant is that because creating a hidden service has ~0 cost, it is trivial for anyone to spin up an arbitrary number of Bitcoin hidden services. Thus, if one runs a node that only connects to hidden services, it is fairly easily eclipsable.
It's just one example of a downside of (a particular way of) using Tor. That doesn't mean I recommend against using Tor for Bitcoin traffic at all; my point was simply that there are trade-offs, and aspects of privacy of the P2P protocol that Tor does not address, and thus one shouldn't assume that all problems are solved by "just use Tor".
Cheers,
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Pieter
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📝 Original message:On Sunday, December 12th, 2021 at 9:23 AM, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Using the Tor network to bypass censorship for bitcoin can work but is a very poor solution, the Tor network is very centralized, very small, watched and controlled, with plenty of features that do not apply to other protocols than those made to be used with the Tor Browser, Pieter gave a simple example, that you can solve easily changing the circuits, the problem remains that you really need to be a super expert to escape all the dangers of the Tor network, not even sure it's possible unless you use something else than the Tor project code
FWIW, I wasn't talking about anything related to Tor's protocol or organization at all. What I meant is that because creating a hidden service has ~0 cost, it is trivial for anyone to spin up an arbitrary number of Bitcoin hidden services. Thus, if one runs a node that only connects to hidden services, it is fairly easily eclipsable.
It's just one example of a downside of (a particular way of) using Tor. That doesn't mean I recommend against using Tor for Bitcoin traffic at all; my point was simply that there are trade-offs, and aspects of privacy of the P2P protocol that Tor does not address, and thus one shouldn't assume that all problems are solved by "just use Tor".
Cheers,
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Pieter
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