Ciggy Bringer of Smoke on Nostr: I mean, most of us that have tried to get out there and shake a leg have varyingly ...

I mean, most of us that have tried to get out there and shake a leg have varyingly bad experiences where it clearly wasn't 'it' despite the sign and self promotion they were 'it' and more.

But even so, that hasn't stopped the trying one way or another, and for Liberal speakers to a Liberal audience who want there to be some kind of cordoned of neutral venue where politics does not interject...

They absolutely need to be pushed off the fence (and caught by us, can not just push them or shake the fence and expect them to fall over here) and to actualize their role and potential doing the crummy bummy self organizing we're already engaged in.

Consistently, partisan methodology is played on the table by the partisan ideology, and Liberal apolitics is trying to play the game with less than half a hand.