Ron Elliott [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2014-07-04 📝 Original message:I feel everyone should ...
📅 Original date posted:2014-07-04
📝 Original message:I feel everyone should re-read that last paragraph as it carries the most
weight IMO.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, kjj <bitcoin-devel at jerviss.org> wrote:
> Just some general comments on this topic/discussion.
>
> I suspect that there exist no algorithms which cannot be done better in
> an application-specific device than in a general purpose computer. And
> if there is such a thing, then it must necessarily perform best on one
> specific platform, making that platform the de facto application
> specific device.
>
> I'm not sure how one would go about proving or disproving that, but it
> seems very likely to be true.
>
> IO-bound is exactly the same as memory bound, for devices that have
> enough memory. 20 GB is already trivial today, and you don't really get
> into ask-the-wife-for-permission money until you cross 128 GB. The
> exception would be if the IO was to an oracle outside of the device's
> control, and artificially limited in throughput. Such a centralized
> oracle would be contrary to the goals usually stated by people thinking
> about anti-ASIC designs, so there isn't much point.
>
> Keeping the algorithm simple, and ASIC-easy, has one other advantage.
> Just about anyone can sit down and design an ASIC for SHA, for example,
> leading to diversity in the marketplace. A harder algorithm can still
> be made into an ASIC (or more generally into an ASD), but will require
> more skilled designers, more expensive fabrication, etc. This actually
> concentrates the ASIC advantage into the hands of fewer people, which
> again, is contrary to the stated goals.
>
>
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📝 Original message:I feel everyone should re-read that last paragraph as it carries the most
weight IMO.
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:50 AM, kjj <bitcoin-devel at jerviss.org> wrote:
> Just some general comments on this topic/discussion.
>
> I suspect that there exist no algorithms which cannot be done better in
> an application-specific device than in a general purpose computer. And
> if there is such a thing, then it must necessarily perform best on one
> specific platform, making that platform the de facto application
> specific device.
>
> I'm not sure how one would go about proving or disproving that, but it
> seems very likely to be true.
>
> IO-bound is exactly the same as memory bound, for devices that have
> enough memory. 20 GB is already trivial today, and you don't really get
> into ask-the-wife-for-permission money until you cross 128 GB. The
> exception would be if the IO was to an oracle outside of the device's
> control, and artificially limited in throughput. Such a centralized
> oracle would be contrary to the goals usually stated by people thinking
> about anti-ASIC designs, so there isn't much point.
>
> Keeping the algorithm simple, and ASIC-easy, has one other advantage.
> Just about anyone can sit down and design an ASIC for SHA, for example,
> leading to diversity in the marketplace. A harder algorithm can still
> be made into an ASIC (or more generally into an ASD), but will require
> more skilled designers, more expensive fabrication, etc. This actually
> concentrates the ASIC advantage into the hands of fewer people, which
> again, is contrary to the stated goals.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Open source business process management suite built on Java and Eclipse
> Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition
> Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows
> Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft
> _______________________________________________
> Bitcoin-development mailing list
> Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>
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- Ron
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