matt13black on Nostr: > These public payments are perfectly fine and have no risk. Absolutely, agreed > ...
> These public payments are perfectly fine and have no risk.
Absolutely, agreed
> Your example of a forced lightning closure is a good example of a public payment.
The example I gave with anchor outputs assumes it's a forced closure with zero fees (that's the idea behind anchor outputs). The idea with it is that you can just CPFP it rather than both parties having to estimate feerates (like they do now pre-package-relay)
I would argue that OOB payments may be cheaper here than CPFP
Why construct a whole new transaction when you can just make an OOB payment to force close your zero-fee transaction into the next block?
> These private OOB payments create centralizing incentives
I definitely agree. But also if CPFP is more expensive than OOB payments in general, then this is a concern with CPFP inevitably creating centralizing incentives in general
I guess what I'm trying to get at, is how does CTV actually make this worse? It seems that centralization forces for OOB payments would be equivalent for Lightning force-closure and CTV transactions wouldn't they?
Absolutely, agreed
> Your example of a forced lightning closure is a good example of a public payment.
The example I gave with anchor outputs assumes it's a forced closure with zero fees (that's the idea behind anchor outputs). The idea with it is that you can just CPFP it rather than both parties having to estimate feerates (like they do now pre-package-relay)
I would argue that OOB payments may be cheaper here than CPFP
Why construct a whole new transaction when you can just make an OOB payment to force close your zero-fee transaction into the next block?
> These private OOB payments create centralizing incentives
I definitely agree. But also if CPFP is more expensive than OOB payments in general, then this is a concern with CPFP inevitably creating centralizing incentives in general
I guess what I'm trying to get at, is how does CTV actually make this worse? It seems that centralization forces for OOB payments would be equivalent for Lightning force-closure and CTV transactions wouldn't they?