naama.kates at gmail.com [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2015-10-06 📝 Original message:Hey all, nice to meet ...
📅 Original date posted:2015-10-06
📝 Original message:Hey all, nice to meet you... I'm new to the community and thus, after taking that first step of signing up, have been reading/scanning these threads over the last few days without contributing my own two ¢-- not, um, 'trolling', just, you know, educating myself and getting familiar with the group ethos and etiquette.
It wasn't until I'd read ~10 posts that I understood the initial purpose of the thread! As few others have mentioned, I'm a bit surprised, at all the back and forth à la hip-hop 'battling' ;-) It certainly obfuscates-- while entertaining-- to the point where a newbie like myself might drop out... Perhaps this is intentional-- to maintain exclusivity and weed out the uninitiated. I dunno. But if not, I'm just noting, as something of an outsider, that it took a while.
But I'd like to contribute. With what little knowledge I possess, I'm inclined to favor hardfork... Is there a more suitable place to address this? Perhaps to work on code? For this specific project, that is... Anyone point me to a map somewhere? LOL.
Thanks to all for reading, and much admiration to you all and the work you've done, my latter comments notwithstanding!
Cheers,
N
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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> That's for Mike Hearn. Sooner the better. Hong Kong, December?
> Venzen Khaosan
>
>
>> On 10/07/2015 01:23 AM, Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> Tell you what, eloquent guy...
>>
>> Give me 15 minutes in a public open mic session with you and i'll
>> remove you from your high horse and close your voice in Bitcoin,
>> for good.
>>
>> Guaranteed. You're too stupid for me to let you run loose with
>> client funds and this great innovation.
>>
>> Anytime, anywhere. I'm ready to dismantle your intellectual
>> bankruptcy in front of the world.
>>
>> I'll go for your psychological throat first.
>>
>> Sincerely, Venzen Khaosan.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10/05/2015 11:56 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> Hey Sergio,
>>
>>> To clarify: my /single/ objection is that CLTV should be a hard
>>> fork. I haven't been raising never-ending technical objections,
>>> there's only one.
>>
>>> I /have/ been answering all the various reasons being brought up
>>> why I'm wrong and soft forks are awesome .... and there do seem
>>> to be a limitless number of such emails .... but on my side it's
>>> still just a single objection. If CLTV is a hard fork then I
>>> won't be objecting anymore, right?
>>
>>> CLTV deployment is clearly controversial. Many developers other
>>> than me have noted that hard forks are cleaner, and have other
>>> desirable properties. I'm not the only one who sees a big
>>> question mark over soft forks.
>>
>>> As everyone in the Bitcoin community has been clearly told that
>>> controversial changes to the consensus rules must not happen,
>>> it's clear that CLTV cannot happen in its current form.
>>
>>> Now I'll be frank - you are quite correct that I fully expect
>>> the Core maintainers to ignore this controversy and do CLTV as a
>>> soft fork anyway. I'm a cynic. I don't think "everyone must
>>> agree" is workable and have said so from the start. Faced with a
>>> choice of going back on their public statements or having to make
>>> changes to something they clearly want, I expect them to redefine
>>> what "real consensus" means. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not
>>> ..... well, at least everyone will see what Gavin and I have been
>>> talking about for so many months.
>>
>>> But I'd rather the opcode is tweaked. There's real financial
>>> risks to a soft fork.
>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev
>>> mailing list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
>> list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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📝 Original message:Hey all, nice to meet you... I'm new to the community and thus, after taking that first step of signing up, have been reading/scanning these threads over the last few days without contributing my own two ¢-- not, um, 'trolling', just, you know, educating myself and getting familiar with the group ethos and etiquette.
It wasn't until I'd read ~10 posts that I understood the initial purpose of the thread! As few others have mentioned, I'm a bit surprised, at all the back and forth à la hip-hop 'battling' ;-) It certainly obfuscates-- while entertaining-- to the point where a newbie like myself might drop out... Perhaps this is intentional-- to maintain exclusivity and weed out the uninitiated. I dunno. But if not, I'm just noting, as something of an outsider, that it took a while.
But I'd like to contribute. With what little knowledge I possess, I'm inclined to favor hardfork... Is there a more suitable place to address this? Perhaps to work on code? For this specific project, that is... Anyone point me to a map somewhere? LOL.
Thanks to all for reading, and much admiration to you all and the work you've done, my latter comments notwithstanding!
Cheers,
N
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> That's for Mike Hearn. Sooner the better. Hong Kong, December?
> Venzen Khaosan
>
>
>> On 10/07/2015 01:23 AM, Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> Tell you what, eloquent guy...
>>
>> Give me 15 minutes in a public open mic session with you and i'll
>> remove you from your high horse and close your voice in Bitcoin,
>> for good.
>>
>> Guaranteed. You're too stupid for me to let you run loose with
>> client funds and this great innovation.
>>
>> Anytime, anywhere. I'm ready to dismantle your intellectual
>> bankruptcy in front of the world.
>>
>> I'll go for your psychological throat first.
>>
>> Sincerely, Venzen Khaosan.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10/05/2015 11:56 PM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> Hey Sergio,
>>
>>> To clarify: my /single/ objection is that CLTV should be a hard
>>> fork. I haven't been raising never-ending technical objections,
>>> there's only one.
>>
>>> I /have/ been answering all the various reasons being brought up
>>> why I'm wrong and soft forks are awesome .... and there do seem
>>> to be a limitless number of such emails .... but on my side it's
>>> still just a single objection. If CLTV is a hard fork then I
>>> won't be objecting anymore, right?
>>
>>> CLTV deployment is clearly controversial. Many developers other
>>> than me have noted that hard forks are cleaner, and have other
>>> desirable properties. I'm not the only one who sees a big
>>> question mark over soft forks.
>>
>>> As everyone in the Bitcoin community has been clearly told that
>>> controversial changes to the consensus rules must not happen,
>>> it's clear that CLTV cannot happen in its current form.
>>
>>> Now I'll be frank - you are quite correct that I fully expect
>>> the Core maintainers to ignore this controversy and do CLTV as a
>>> soft fork anyway. I'm a cynic. I don't think "everyone must
>>> agree" is workable and have said so from the start. Faced with a
>>> choice of going back on their public statements or having to make
>>> changes to something they clearly want, I expect them to redefine
>>> what "real consensus" means. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not
>>> ..... well, at least everyone will see what Gavin and I have been
>>> talking about for so many months.
>>
>>> But I'd rather the opcode is tweaked. There's real financial
>>> risks to a soft fork.
>>
>>
>>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev
>>> mailing list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
>> list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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