whygetfat on Nostr: Alexis Cowan: "You've seen the rollout of cell phones and cell towers, Bluetooth, ...
Alexis Cowan: "You've seen the rollout of cell phones and cell towers, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, 5G towers. Everything is getting even more high powered. What has that experience been like? Is it frustrating or are you hopeful?"
Andrew Marino: "Oh, I'm not hopeful until the science that Philip Handler left just goes away. That didn't happen in the 20th century and it shows no signs of happening in the 21st century. I'm writing my book [Philip Handler: Toxic Pope of Science, estimated release of late 2025] for the 22nd century so people can understand how science got into the bloody mess it's in now. Bloody mess. I'm not hopeful at all. [...]
"All I do is practice the advice that I preach: I just minimize the stressors. It's not a specific cause of disease like infectious disease, it's a stressor. It taxes the pituitary-adrenal axis, which taxes the body's immune system, which makes it less effective. Things that the body would ordinarily prevent you from developing a disease don't work. The disease comes, so you get cancer or you get any one of myriad chronic diseases.
"You can't turn back the clock and I certainly don't want to. I just minimize stuff. [...]"
Alexis Cowan: "That makes sense. I mean there's a lot of perks to using the technology for sure."
Andrew Marino: "[Laughs] Like, would you want to do without electricity? [...]
"I don't want anybody making decisions for me, and I don't want to have to make decisions for anybody else."
Dr. Alexis Cowan: "[...] I guess my biggest point of frustration is that I feel like I truly believe in the ingenuity and creativity of humans. If we were to just acknowledge the issues at hand, I feel like we could use our creativity to find ways to use technology that's safer. But when we're in the midst of denying that it's a problem to begin with, I feel like that's the biggest issue."
Andrew Marino: "You're right! That's exactly what I tried to say, but maybe not as eloquently and as concisely as you did. That's exactly right. That's what I meant when I said I don't want to be making decisions for anybody else, unless it's so acute and it's so far from something you know about. [...] At a minimum, Uncle Sam should ensure that the information is available. And Uncle Sam should not become part of the problem.
"When the FDA says that there's no evidence that cell phones cause brain cancer, that's just simply not true. The FDA is, in many cases, part of the problem and becoming increasingly more part of the problem [...]"
Dr. Andrew Marino PhD JD with Dr. Alexis Cowan @ 01:15:46–01:21:48 https://youtu.be/18lVJi_ioFk&t=4546
Andrew Marino: "Oh, I'm not hopeful until the science that Philip Handler left just goes away. That didn't happen in the 20th century and it shows no signs of happening in the 21st century. I'm writing my book [Philip Handler: Toxic Pope of Science, estimated release of late 2025] for the 22nd century so people can understand how science got into the bloody mess it's in now. Bloody mess. I'm not hopeful at all. [...]
"All I do is practice the advice that I preach: I just minimize the stressors. It's not a specific cause of disease like infectious disease, it's a stressor. It taxes the pituitary-adrenal axis, which taxes the body's immune system, which makes it less effective. Things that the body would ordinarily prevent you from developing a disease don't work. The disease comes, so you get cancer or you get any one of myriad chronic diseases.
"You can't turn back the clock and I certainly don't want to. I just minimize stuff. [...]"
Alexis Cowan: "That makes sense. I mean there's a lot of perks to using the technology for sure."
Andrew Marino: "[Laughs] Like, would you want to do without electricity? [...]
"I don't want anybody making decisions for me, and I don't want to have to make decisions for anybody else."
Dr. Alexis Cowan: "[...] I guess my biggest point of frustration is that I feel like I truly believe in the ingenuity and creativity of humans. If we were to just acknowledge the issues at hand, I feel like we could use our creativity to find ways to use technology that's safer. But when we're in the midst of denying that it's a problem to begin with, I feel like that's the biggest issue."
Andrew Marino: "You're right! That's exactly what I tried to say, but maybe not as eloquently and as concisely as you did. That's exactly right. That's what I meant when I said I don't want to be making decisions for anybody else, unless it's so acute and it's so far from something you know about. [...] At a minimum, Uncle Sam should ensure that the information is available. And Uncle Sam should not become part of the problem.
"When the FDA says that there's no evidence that cell phones cause brain cancer, that's just simply not true. The FDA is, in many cases, part of the problem and becoming increasingly more part of the problem [...]"
Dr. Andrew Marino PhD JD with Dr. Alexis Cowan @ 01:15:46–01:21:48 https://youtu.be/18lVJi_ioFk&t=4546