Matt Corallo [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2017-06-01 📝 Original message:Quick comment before I ...
📅 Original date posted:2017-06-01
📝 Original message:Quick comment before I finish reading it completely, looks like you have no way to match the input prevouts being spent, which is rather nice from a "watch for this output being spent" pov.
On June 1, 2017 3:01:14 PM EDT, Olaoluwa Osuntokun via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>Hi y'all,
>
>Alex Akselrod and I would like to propose a new light client BIP for
>consideration:
>*
>https://github.com/Roasbeef/bips/blob/master/gcs_light_client.mediawiki
>
>This BIP proposal describes a concrete specification (along with a
>reference implementations[1][2][3]) for the much discussed client-side
>filtering reversal of BIP-37. The precise details are described in the
>BIP, but as a summary: we've implemented a new light-client mode that
>uses
>client-side filtering based off of Golomb-Rice coded sets. Full-nodes
>maintain an additional index of the chain, and serve this compact
>filter
>(the index) to light clients which request them. Light clients then
>fetch
>these filters, query the locally and _maybe_ fetch the block if a
>relevant
>item matches. The cool part is that blocks can be fetched from _any_
>source, once the light client deems it necessary. Our primary
>motivation
>for this work was enabling a light client mode for lnd[4] in order to
>support a more light-weight back end paving the way for the usage of
>Lightning on mobile phones and other devices. We've integrated neutrino
>as a back end for lnd, and will be making the updated code public very
>soon.
>
>One specific area we'd like feedback on is the parameter selection.
>Unlike
>BIP-37 which allows clients to dynamically tune their false positive
>rate,
>our proposal uses a _fixed_ false-positive. Within the document, it's
>currently specified as P = 1/2^20. We've done a bit of analysis and
>optimization attempting to optimize the following sum:
>filter_download_bandwidth + expected_block_false_positive_bandwidth.
>Alex
>has made a JS calculator that allows y'all to explore the affect of
>tweaking the false positive rate in addition to the following
>variables:
>the number of items the wallet is scanning for, the size of the blocks,
>number of blocks fetched, and the size of the filters themselves. The
>calculator calculates the expected bandwidth utilization using the CDF
>of
>the Geometric Distribution. The calculator can be found here:
>https://aakselrod.github.io/gcs_calc.html. Alex also has an empirical
>script he's been running on actual data, and the results seem to match
>up
>rather nicely.
>
>We we're excited to see that Karl Johan Alm (kallewoof) has done some
>(rather extensive!) analysis of his own, focusing on a distinct
>encoding
>type [5]. I haven't had the time yet to dig into his report yet, but I
>think I've read enough to extract the key difference in our encodings:
>his
>filters use a binomial encoding _directly_ on the filter contents, will
>we
>instead create a Golomb-Coded set with the contents being _hashes_ (we
>use
>siphash) of the filter items.
>
>Using a fixed fp=20, I have some stats detailing the total index size,
>as
>well as averages for both mainnet and testnet. For mainnet, using the
>filter contents as currently described in the BIP (basic + extended),
>the
>total size of the index comes out to 6.9GB. The break down is as
>follows:
>
> * total size: 6976047156
> * total avg: 14997.220622758816
> * total median: 3801
> * total max: 79155
> * regular size: 3117183743
> * regular avg: 6701.372750217131
> * regular median: 1734
> * regular max: 67533
> * extended size: 3858863413
> * extended avg: 8295.847872541684
> * extended median: 2041
> * extended max: 52508
>
>In order to consider the average+median filter sizes in a world worth
>larger blocks, I also ran the index for testnet:
>
> * total size: 2753238530
> * total avg: 5918.95736054141
> * total median: 60202
> * total max: 74983
> * regular size: 1165148878
> * regular avg: 2504.856172982827
> * regular median: 24812
> * regular max: 64554
> * extended size: 1588089652
> * extended avg: 3414.1011875585823
> * extended median: 35260
> * extended max: 41731
>
>Finally, here are the testnet stats which take into account the
>increase
>in the maximum filter size due to segwit's block-size increase. The max
>filter sizes are a bit larger due to some of the habitual blocks I
>created last year when testing segwit (transactions with 30k inputs,
>30k
>outputs, etc).
>
> * total size: 585087597
> * total avg: 520.8839608674402
> * total median: 20
> * total max: 164598
> * regular size: 299325029
> * regular avg: 266.4790836307566
> * regular median: 13
> * regular max: 164583
> * extended size: 285762568
> * extended avg: 254.4048772366836
> * extended median: 7
> * extended max: 127631
>
>For those that are interested in the raw data, I've uploaded a CSV file
>of raw data for each block (mainnet + testnet), which can be found
>here:
> * mainnet: (14MB):
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yk2u8dj06njbuv/mainnet-gcs-stats.csv?dl=0
> * testnet: (25MB):
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/w7dmmcbocnmjfbo/gcs-stats-testnet.csv?dl=0
>
>
>We look forward to getting feedback from all of y'all!
>
>-- Laolu
>
>
>[1]: https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino
>[2]: https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcd/tree/segwit-cbf
>[3]: https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcutil/tree/gcs/gcs
>[4]: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/
>
>-- Laolu
📝 Original message:Quick comment before I finish reading it completely, looks like you have no way to match the input prevouts being spent, which is rather nice from a "watch for this output being spent" pov.
On June 1, 2017 3:01:14 PM EDT, Olaoluwa Osuntokun via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>Hi y'all,
>
>Alex Akselrod and I would like to propose a new light client BIP for
>consideration:
>*
>https://github.com/Roasbeef/bips/blob/master/gcs_light_client.mediawiki
>
>This BIP proposal describes a concrete specification (along with a
>reference implementations[1][2][3]) for the much discussed client-side
>filtering reversal of BIP-37. The precise details are described in the
>BIP, but as a summary: we've implemented a new light-client mode that
>uses
>client-side filtering based off of Golomb-Rice coded sets. Full-nodes
>maintain an additional index of the chain, and serve this compact
>filter
>(the index) to light clients which request them. Light clients then
>fetch
>these filters, query the locally and _maybe_ fetch the block if a
>relevant
>item matches. The cool part is that blocks can be fetched from _any_
>source, once the light client deems it necessary. Our primary
>motivation
>for this work was enabling a light client mode for lnd[4] in order to
>support a more light-weight back end paving the way for the usage of
>Lightning on mobile phones and other devices. We've integrated neutrino
>as a back end for lnd, and will be making the updated code public very
>soon.
>
>One specific area we'd like feedback on is the parameter selection.
>Unlike
>BIP-37 which allows clients to dynamically tune their false positive
>rate,
>our proposal uses a _fixed_ false-positive. Within the document, it's
>currently specified as P = 1/2^20. We've done a bit of analysis and
>optimization attempting to optimize the following sum:
>filter_download_bandwidth + expected_block_false_positive_bandwidth.
>Alex
>has made a JS calculator that allows y'all to explore the affect of
>tweaking the false positive rate in addition to the following
>variables:
>the number of items the wallet is scanning for, the size of the blocks,
>number of blocks fetched, and the size of the filters themselves. The
>calculator calculates the expected bandwidth utilization using the CDF
>of
>the Geometric Distribution. The calculator can be found here:
>https://aakselrod.github.io/gcs_calc.html. Alex also has an empirical
>script he's been running on actual data, and the results seem to match
>up
>rather nicely.
>
>We we're excited to see that Karl Johan Alm (kallewoof) has done some
>(rather extensive!) analysis of his own, focusing on a distinct
>encoding
>type [5]. I haven't had the time yet to dig into his report yet, but I
>think I've read enough to extract the key difference in our encodings:
>his
>filters use a binomial encoding _directly_ on the filter contents, will
>we
>instead create a Golomb-Coded set with the contents being _hashes_ (we
>use
>siphash) of the filter items.
>
>Using a fixed fp=20, I have some stats detailing the total index size,
>as
>well as averages for both mainnet and testnet. For mainnet, using the
>filter contents as currently described in the BIP (basic + extended),
>the
>total size of the index comes out to 6.9GB. The break down is as
>follows:
>
> * total size: 6976047156
> * total avg: 14997.220622758816
> * total median: 3801
> * total max: 79155
> * regular size: 3117183743
> * regular avg: 6701.372750217131
> * regular median: 1734
> * regular max: 67533
> * extended size: 3858863413
> * extended avg: 8295.847872541684
> * extended median: 2041
> * extended max: 52508
>
>In order to consider the average+median filter sizes in a world worth
>larger blocks, I also ran the index for testnet:
>
> * total size: 2753238530
> * total avg: 5918.95736054141
> * total median: 60202
> * total max: 74983
> * regular size: 1165148878
> * regular avg: 2504.856172982827
> * regular median: 24812
> * regular max: 64554
> * extended size: 1588089652
> * extended avg: 3414.1011875585823
> * extended median: 35260
> * extended max: 41731
>
>Finally, here are the testnet stats which take into account the
>increase
>in the maximum filter size due to segwit's block-size increase. The max
>filter sizes are a bit larger due to some of the habitual blocks I
>created last year when testing segwit (transactions with 30k inputs,
>30k
>outputs, etc).
>
> * total size: 585087597
> * total avg: 520.8839608674402
> * total median: 20
> * total max: 164598
> * regular size: 299325029
> * regular avg: 266.4790836307566
> * regular median: 13
> * regular max: 164583
> * extended size: 285762568
> * extended avg: 254.4048772366836
> * extended median: 7
> * extended max: 127631
>
>For those that are interested in the raw data, I've uploaded a CSV file
>of raw data for each block (mainnet + testnet), which can be found
>here:
> * mainnet: (14MB):
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yk2u8dj06njbuv/mainnet-gcs-stats.csv?dl=0
> * testnet: (25MB):
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/w7dmmcbocnmjfbo/gcs-stats-testnet.csv?dl=0
>
>
>We look forward to getting feedback from all of y'all!
>
>-- Laolu
>
>
>[1]: https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino
>[2]: https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcd/tree/segwit-cbf
>[3]: https://github.com/Roasbeef/btcutil/tree/gcs/gcs
>[4]: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/
>
>-- Laolu