Jeremy [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2022-01-17 📝 Original message:This is a good point, but ...
📅 Original date posted:2022-01-17
📝 Original message:This is a good point, but can be addressed by having a non-void whitespace
character (e.g., win x estate).
changing BIP39 would be hard since software expects a standard list; it
would also be possible to rejection sample for seeds that do not contain
these pairs, unclear how much entropy would be lost from that.
--
@JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>;
<https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>;
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:26 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> really don't like that art, work, and artwork are 3 different words
>
> would be nice to clean up adjacent ambiguity
>
> it's not a big deal, but it can lead to confusion when writing things down
>
>
> dup: ('canal', 'arm') ('can', 'alarm')
> dup: ('canal', 'one') ('can', 'alone')
> dup: ('canal', 'ready') ('can', 'already')
> dup: ('card', 'anger') ('car', 'danger')
> dup: ('card', 'ice') ('car', 'dice')
> dup: ('card', 'inner') ('car', 'dinner')
> dup: ('card', 'raw') ('car', 'draw')
> dup: ('cart', 'able') ('car', 'table')
> dup: ('cart', 'ask') ('car', 'task')
> dup: ('cart', 'hat') ('car', 'that')
> dup: ('cart', 'hen') ('car', 'then')
> dup: ('cart', 'issue') ('car', 'tissue')
> dup: ('cart', 'one') ('car', 'tone')
> dup: ('cart', 'own') ('car', 'town')
> dup: ('cart', 'rack') ('car', 'track')
> dup: ('cart', 'rain') ('car', 'train')
> dup: ('cart', 'win') ('car', 'twin')
> dup: ('catch', 'air') ('cat', 'chair')
> dup: ('erase', 'arch') ('era', 'search')
> dup: ('fatal', 'arm') ('fat', 'alarm')
> dup: ('fatal', 'one') ('fat', 'alone')
> dup: ('fatal', 'ready') ('fat', 'already')
> dup: ('feed', 'anger') ('fee', 'danger')
> dup: ('feed', 'ice') ('fee', 'dice')
> dup: ('feed', 'inner') ('fee', 'dinner')
> dup: ('feed', 'raw') ('fee', 'draw')
> dup: ('feel', 'earn') ('fee', 'learn')
> dup: ('feel', 'end') ('fee', 'lend')
> dup: ('gasp', 'act') ('gas', 'pact')
> dup: ('gasp', 'age') ('gas', 'page')
> dup: ('gasp', 'air') ('gas', 'pair')
> dup: ('gasp', 'ill') ('gas', 'pill')
> dup: ('gasp', 'raise') ('gas', 'praise')
> dup: ('gasp', 'rice') ('gas', 'price')
> dup: ('gasp', 'ride') ('gas', 'pride')
> dup: ('gasp', 'roof') ('gas', 'proof')
> dup: ('kite', 'merge') ('kit', 'emerge')
> dup: ('kite', 'motion') ('kit', 'emotion')
> dup: ('kite', 'state') ('kit', 'estate')
> dup: ('lawn', 'arrow') ('law', 'narrow')
> dup: ('lawn', 'either') ('law', 'neither')
> dup: ('lawn', 'ice') ('law', 'nice')
> dup: ('legal', 'arm') ('leg', 'alarm')
> dup: ('legal', 'one') ('leg', 'alone')
> dup: ('legal', 'ready') ('leg', 'already')
> dup: ('seat', 'able') ('sea', 'table')
> dup: ('seat', 'ask') ('sea', 'task')
> dup: ('seat', 'hat') ('sea', 'that')
> dup: ('seat', 'hen') ('sea', 'then')
> dup: ('seat', 'issue') ('sea', 'tissue')
> dup: ('seat', 'one') ('sea', 'tone')
> dup: ('seat', 'own') ('sea', 'town')
> dup: ('seat', 'rack') ('sea', 'track')
> dup: ('seat', 'rain') ('sea', 'train')
> dup: ('seat', 'win') ('sea', 'twin')
> dup: ('skin', 'arrow') ('ski', 'narrow')
> dup: ('skin', 'either') ('ski', 'neither')
> dup: ('skin', 'ice') ('ski', 'nice')
> dup: ('tent', 'able') ('ten', 'table')
> dup: ('tent', 'ask') ('ten', 'task')
> dup: ('tent', 'hat') ('ten', 'that')
> dup: ('tent', 'hen') ('ten', 'then')
> dup: ('tent', 'issue') ('ten', 'tissue')
> dup: ('tent', 'one') ('ten', 'tone')
> dup: ('tent', 'own') ('ten', 'town')
> dup: ('tent', 'rack') ('ten', 'track')
> dup: ('tent', 'rain') ('ten', 'train')
> dup: ('tent', 'win') ('ten', 'twin')
> dup: ('used', 'anger') ('use', 'danger')
> dup: ('used', 'ice') ('use', 'dice')
> dup: ('used', 'inner') ('use', 'dinner')
> dup: ('used', 'raw') ('use', 'draw')
> dup: ('wine', 'merge') ('win', 'emerge')
> dup: ('wine', 'motion') ('win', 'emotion')
> dup: ('wine', 'state') ('win', 'estate')
> dup: ('wing', 'host') ('win', 'ghost')
> dup: ('wing', 'love') ('win', 'glove')
> dup: ('wing', 'old') ('win', 'gold')
> dup: ('wing', 'own') ('win', 'gown')
> dup: ('wing', 'race') ('win', 'grace')
> dup: ('wing', 'rain') ('win', 'grain')
> dup: ('wink', 'now') ('win', 'know')
> dup: ('youth', 'under') ('you', 'thunder')
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📝 Original message:This is a good point, but can be addressed by having a non-void whitespace
character (e.g., win x estate).
changing BIP39 would be hard since software expects a standard list; it
would also be possible to rejection sample for seeds that do not contain
these pairs, unclear how much entropy would be lost from that.
--
@JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>;
<https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>;
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 2:26 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> really don't like that art, work, and artwork are 3 different words
>
> would be nice to clean up adjacent ambiguity
>
> it's not a big deal, but it can lead to confusion when writing things down
>
>
> dup: ('canal', 'arm') ('can', 'alarm')
> dup: ('canal', 'one') ('can', 'alone')
> dup: ('canal', 'ready') ('can', 'already')
> dup: ('card', 'anger') ('car', 'danger')
> dup: ('card', 'ice') ('car', 'dice')
> dup: ('card', 'inner') ('car', 'dinner')
> dup: ('card', 'raw') ('car', 'draw')
> dup: ('cart', 'able') ('car', 'table')
> dup: ('cart', 'ask') ('car', 'task')
> dup: ('cart', 'hat') ('car', 'that')
> dup: ('cart', 'hen') ('car', 'then')
> dup: ('cart', 'issue') ('car', 'tissue')
> dup: ('cart', 'one') ('car', 'tone')
> dup: ('cart', 'own') ('car', 'town')
> dup: ('cart', 'rack') ('car', 'track')
> dup: ('cart', 'rain') ('car', 'train')
> dup: ('cart', 'win') ('car', 'twin')
> dup: ('catch', 'air') ('cat', 'chair')
> dup: ('erase', 'arch') ('era', 'search')
> dup: ('fatal', 'arm') ('fat', 'alarm')
> dup: ('fatal', 'one') ('fat', 'alone')
> dup: ('fatal', 'ready') ('fat', 'already')
> dup: ('feed', 'anger') ('fee', 'danger')
> dup: ('feed', 'ice') ('fee', 'dice')
> dup: ('feed', 'inner') ('fee', 'dinner')
> dup: ('feed', 'raw') ('fee', 'draw')
> dup: ('feel', 'earn') ('fee', 'learn')
> dup: ('feel', 'end') ('fee', 'lend')
> dup: ('gasp', 'act') ('gas', 'pact')
> dup: ('gasp', 'age') ('gas', 'page')
> dup: ('gasp', 'air') ('gas', 'pair')
> dup: ('gasp', 'ill') ('gas', 'pill')
> dup: ('gasp', 'raise') ('gas', 'praise')
> dup: ('gasp', 'rice') ('gas', 'price')
> dup: ('gasp', 'ride') ('gas', 'pride')
> dup: ('gasp', 'roof') ('gas', 'proof')
> dup: ('kite', 'merge') ('kit', 'emerge')
> dup: ('kite', 'motion') ('kit', 'emotion')
> dup: ('kite', 'state') ('kit', 'estate')
> dup: ('lawn', 'arrow') ('law', 'narrow')
> dup: ('lawn', 'either') ('law', 'neither')
> dup: ('lawn', 'ice') ('law', 'nice')
> dup: ('legal', 'arm') ('leg', 'alarm')
> dup: ('legal', 'one') ('leg', 'alone')
> dup: ('legal', 'ready') ('leg', 'already')
> dup: ('seat', 'able') ('sea', 'table')
> dup: ('seat', 'ask') ('sea', 'task')
> dup: ('seat', 'hat') ('sea', 'that')
> dup: ('seat', 'hen') ('sea', 'then')
> dup: ('seat', 'issue') ('sea', 'tissue')
> dup: ('seat', 'one') ('sea', 'tone')
> dup: ('seat', 'own') ('sea', 'town')
> dup: ('seat', 'rack') ('sea', 'track')
> dup: ('seat', 'rain') ('sea', 'train')
> dup: ('seat', 'win') ('sea', 'twin')
> dup: ('skin', 'arrow') ('ski', 'narrow')
> dup: ('skin', 'either') ('ski', 'neither')
> dup: ('skin', 'ice') ('ski', 'nice')
> dup: ('tent', 'able') ('ten', 'table')
> dup: ('tent', 'ask') ('ten', 'task')
> dup: ('tent', 'hat') ('ten', 'that')
> dup: ('tent', 'hen') ('ten', 'then')
> dup: ('tent', 'issue') ('ten', 'tissue')
> dup: ('tent', 'one') ('ten', 'tone')
> dup: ('tent', 'own') ('ten', 'town')
> dup: ('tent', 'rack') ('ten', 'track')
> dup: ('tent', 'rain') ('ten', 'train')
> dup: ('tent', 'win') ('ten', 'twin')
> dup: ('used', 'anger') ('use', 'danger')
> dup: ('used', 'ice') ('use', 'dice')
> dup: ('used', 'inner') ('use', 'dinner')
> dup: ('used', 'raw') ('use', 'draw')
> dup: ('wine', 'merge') ('win', 'emerge')
> dup: ('wine', 'motion') ('win', 'emotion')
> dup: ('wine', 'state') ('win', 'estate')
> dup: ('wing', 'host') ('win', 'ghost')
> dup: ('wing', 'love') ('win', 'glove')
> dup: ('wing', 'old') ('win', 'gold')
> dup: ('wing', 'own') ('win', 'gown')
> dup: ('wing', 'race') ('win', 'grace')
> dup: ('wing', 'rain') ('win', 'grain')
> dup: ('wink', 'now') ('win', 'know')
> dup: ('youth', 'under') ('you', 'thunder')
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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