eric at voskuil.org [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2022-01-20 📝 Original message:> BIP8 is also BIP9 based, ...
📅 Original date posted:2022-01-20
📝 Original message:> BIP8 is also BIP9 based, and ST is its own thing that's neither BIP8 nor BIP9, so characterization one way or another is moot IMO.
For a selective definition of “based” you can draw any conclusion you desire. However I was very clear, as was Luke, and the history on this issue is equally clear, that the *only* material distinction (and the one that we are discussing) is activation with or without majority hash power support. BIP9/ST requires this support, BIP8 does not. The characterization is not moot. It is the central issue and always has been. There was no compromise on this question made in Taproot.
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From: Billy Tetrud <billy.tetrud at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:23 AM
Thank you Eric for pointing out the factual errors in LukeJr's mention and implications around BIP8. The fact is that the ST pull request was described as <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21377>; "BIP9-based". TBH BIP8 is also BIP9 based, and ST is its own thing that's neither BIP8 nor BIP9, so characterization one way or another is moot IMO. In any case, I also agree with Michael that this isn't the place to have a long discussion about activation method. That discussion should be kept separate. I'd go so far to say that BIPs should not advocate for any particular activation method, but should only go so far as to mention what types of activation methods are possible (if some types aren't possible for some reason). Separation of concerns would be very useful on that front to reduce noise in conversations.
Thanks,
BT
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📝 Original message:> BIP8 is also BIP9 based, and ST is its own thing that's neither BIP8 nor BIP9, so characterization one way or another is moot IMO.
For a selective definition of “based” you can draw any conclusion you desire. However I was very clear, as was Luke, and the history on this issue is equally clear, that the *only* material distinction (and the one that we are discussing) is activation with or without majority hash power support. BIP9/ST requires this support, BIP8 does not. The characterization is not moot. It is the central issue and always has been. There was no compromise on this question made in Taproot.
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From: Billy Tetrud <billy.tetrud at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:23 AM
Thank you Eric for pointing out the factual errors in LukeJr's mention and implications around BIP8. The fact is that the ST pull request was described as <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21377>; "BIP9-based". TBH BIP8 is also BIP9 based, and ST is its own thing that's neither BIP8 nor BIP9, so characterization one way or another is moot IMO. In any case, I also agree with Michael that this isn't the place to have a long discussion about activation method. That discussion should be kept separate. I'd go so far to say that BIPs should not advocate for any particular activation method, but should only go so far as to mention what types of activation methods are possible (if some types aren't possible for some reason). Separation of concerns would be very useful on that front to reduce noise in conversations.
Thanks,
BT
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