Russell O'Connor [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2022-03-22 📝 Original message:Thanks for the ...
📅 Original date posted:2022-03-22
📝 Original message:Thanks for the clarification.
You don't think referring to the microcode via its hash, effectively using
32-byte encoding of opcodes, is still rather long winded?
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj at protonmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning Russell,
>
> > Setting aside my thoughts that something like Simplicity would make a
> better platform than Bitcoin Script (due to expression operating on a more
> narrow interface than the entire stack (I'm looking at you OP_DEPTH)) there
> is an issue with namespace management.
> >
> > If I understand correctly, your implication was that once opcodes are
> redefined by an OP_RETURN transaction, subsequent transactions of that
> opcode refer to the new microtransaction. But then we have a race
> condition between people submitting transactions expecting the outputs to
> refer to the old code and having their code redefined by the time they do
> get confirmed (or worse having them reorged).
>
> No, use of specific microcodes is opt-in: you have to use a specific
> `0xce` Tapscript version, ***and*** refer to the microcode you want to use
> via the hash of the microcode.
>
> The only race condition is reorging out a newly-defined microcode.
> This can be avoided by waiting for deep confirmation of a newly-defined
> microcode before actually using it.
>
> But once the microcode introduction outpoint of a particular microcode has
> been deeply confirmed, then your Tapscript can refer to the microcode, and
> its meaning does not change.
>
> Fullnodes may need to maintain multiple microcodes, which is why creating
> new microcodes is expensive; they not only require JIT compilation, they
> also require that fullnodes keep an index that cannot have items deleted.
>
>
> The advantage of the microcode scheme is that the size of the SCRIPT can
> be used as a proxy for CPU load ---- just as it is done for current Bitcoin
> SCRIPT.
> As long as the number of `UOP_` micro-opcodes that an `OP_` code can
> expand to is bounded, and we avoid looping constructs, then the CPU load is
> also bounded and the size of the SCRIPT approximates the amount of
> processing needed, thus microcode does not require a softfork to modify
> weight calculations in the future.
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
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📝 Original message:Thanks for the clarification.
You don't think referring to the microcode via its hash, effectively using
32-byte encoding of opcodes, is still rather long winded?
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj at protonmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning Russell,
>
> > Setting aside my thoughts that something like Simplicity would make a
> better platform than Bitcoin Script (due to expression operating on a more
> narrow interface than the entire stack (I'm looking at you OP_DEPTH)) there
> is an issue with namespace management.
> >
> > If I understand correctly, your implication was that once opcodes are
> redefined by an OP_RETURN transaction, subsequent transactions of that
> opcode refer to the new microtransaction. But then we have a race
> condition between people submitting transactions expecting the outputs to
> refer to the old code and having their code redefined by the time they do
> get confirmed (or worse having them reorged).
>
> No, use of specific microcodes is opt-in: you have to use a specific
> `0xce` Tapscript version, ***and*** refer to the microcode you want to use
> via the hash of the microcode.
>
> The only race condition is reorging out a newly-defined microcode.
> This can be avoided by waiting for deep confirmation of a newly-defined
> microcode before actually using it.
>
> But once the microcode introduction outpoint of a particular microcode has
> been deeply confirmed, then your Tapscript can refer to the microcode, and
> its meaning does not change.
>
> Fullnodes may need to maintain multiple microcodes, which is why creating
> new microcodes is expensive; they not only require JIT compilation, they
> also require that fullnodes keep an index that cannot have items deleted.
>
>
> The advantage of the microcode scheme is that the size of the SCRIPT can
> be used as a proxy for CPU load ---- just as it is done for current Bitcoin
> SCRIPT.
> As long as the number of `UOP_` micro-opcodes that an `OP_` code can
> expand to is bounded, and we avoid looping constructs, then the CPU load is
> also bounded and the size of the SCRIPT approximates the amount of
> processing needed, thus microcode does not require a softfork to modify
> weight calculations in the future.
>
> Regards,
> ZmnSCPxj
>
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