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Will there be two resurrection events and two judgements before death and hell are cast into the Lake of Fire?
The linked article agrees with the "one judgement" view, citing "the judgment" and "the day of judgment", but it doesn't address what is meant by the passage that seems to say there's a first judgment associated with a first resurrection. (He's mostly making a point against "once saved, always saved" (OSAS) doctrine.)
The verses seem to say that there are some who will be resurrected first, and that these will have "reigned with Christ a thousand years". Who are these people? Seems it at least includes martyrs (and/or unclear which) those who did not worship the beast and did not take his mark. Does this include all the just persons or only the specific named subset? Or is this describing something different? What is the 1000 years during which "the rest of the dead lived not again"? Why is it the "first resurrection" if there isn't a second?
Revelation 20:4-6: "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
NLT makes it clearer, but I regard this "translation" as mere commentary:
Revelation 20:4-6: "Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.) Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years."
My tentative understanding is that all will be judged and the outcome is final at the natural death of each person. Those who will be judged righteous will be resurrected 1000 years before those who will be judged unrighteous. "The judgment" would refer collectively to these distinct judgements described in Revelation 20. John 5 seems consistent with 2 resurrections, but doesn't describe 1000 years in between. I'd be very interested in other views of Revelation 20:4-6.
John 5:28-29: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
https://newcovenantunderstanding.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/is-there-really-two-judgments-or-only-one/
The linked article agrees with the "one judgement" view, citing "the judgment" and "the day of judgment", but it doesn't address what is meant by the passage that seems to say there's a first judgment associated with a first resurrection. (He's mostly making a point against "once saved, always saved" (OSAS) doctrine.)
The verses seem to say that there are some who will be resurrected first, and that these will have "reigned with Christ a thousand years". Who are these people? Seems it at least includes martyrs (and/or unclear which) those who did not worship the beast and did not take his mark. Does this include all the just persons or only the specific named subset? Or is this describing something different? What is the 1000 years during which "the rest of the dead lived not again"? Why is it the "first resurrection" if there isn't a second?
Revelation 20:4-6: "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
NLT makes it clearer, but I regard this "translation" as mere commentary:
Revelation 20:4-6: "Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.) Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years."
My tentative understanding is that all will be judged and the outcome is final at the natural death of each person. Those who will be judged righteous will be resurrected 1000 years before those who will be judged unrighteous. "The judgment" would refer collectively to these distinct judgements described in Revelation 20. John 5 seems consistent with 2 resurrections, but doesn't describe 1000 years in between. I'd be very interested in other views of Revelation 20:4-6.
John 5:28-29: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
https://newcovenantunderstanding.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/is-there-really-two-judgments-or-only-one/