Super Testnet on Nostr: > is that validation difficulty in the room with us right now? No, thanks to the fact ...
> is that validation difficulty in the room with us right now?
No, thanks to the fact that no significant amounts of people use monero. During the stress tests, block sizes went way up. Imagine that for years. I don't think regular node operators on cheap hardware could keep up.
> we should have this conversation when bolt12 is actually widely used
Let's have it now: bolt11 already gives users better receiver privacy than a monero public address.
In monero, the sender always knows the recipient's "real" address (the one on the blockchain) and can provably map it to their stealth address. But in lightning payments, the invoice has to tell you the pubkey of the *node* which received the payment (though you can spoof it), but that pubkey doesn't contain any money. It's like a stealth address in monero, except the sender *cannot* map it to the *real* address that received the money, or at least, not necessarily. There are *some* people who've managed to figure out the receiver's address on the blockchain just from their lightning invoice, but even that information is spoofable. In monero, it isn't. So even in this respect, LN > Monero.
> and channel management isnt only for total nerds
It's already easy to manage channels. Try electrum.
> it is *easier for *more people to get *better privacy on #monero
it is only easier for them to get worse privacy. If they are willing to take the steps to get good privacy, setting up an LN node privately is barely more difficult than setting up a monero node.
No, thanks to the fact that no significant amounts of people use monero. During the stress tests, block sizes went way up. Imagine that for years. I don't think regular node operators on cheap hardware could keep up.
> we should have this conversation when bolt12 is actually widely used
Let's have it now: bolt11 already gives users better receiver privacy than a monero public address.
In monero, the sender always knows the recipient's "real" address (the one on the blockchain) and can provably map it to their stealth address. But in lightning payments, the invoice has to tell you the pubkey of the *node* which received the payment (though you can spoof it), but that pubkey doesn't contain any money. It's like a stealth address in monero, except the sender *cannot* map it to the *real* address that received the money, or at least, not necessarily. There are *some* people who've managed to figure out the receiver's address on the blockchain just from their lightning invoice, but even that information is spoofable. In monero, it isn't. So even in this respect, LN > Monero.
> and channel management isnt only for total nerds
It's already easy to manage channels. Try electrum.
> it is *easier for *more people to get *better privacy on #monero
it is only easier for them to get worse privacy. If they are willing to take the steps to get good privacy, setting up an LN node privately is barely more difficult than setting up a monero node.