Pieter Wuille [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2015-08-07 📝 Original message:On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at ...
📅 Original date posted:2015-08-07
📝 Original message:On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> You make a logical fallacy;
>
> I would agree that nodes are there for people to stop trusting someone that
> they have no trust-relationship with.
>
Yay, trust!
> But your conclusion that low node count is an indication that its hard to
> run
> one discards your own point. You forget the point that running a node is
> only
> needed if you don't know anyone you can trust to run it for you. I'm
> pretty
> darn sure that this will have a bigger effect on nodecount than how hard it
> is.
>
I never said it is the only factor that influences node count.
Or, in other words, without a need to run a node you can't judge the
> difficulty of why there aren't more running.
>
If the incentives for running a node don't weight up against the
cost/difficulty using a full node yourself for a majority of people in the
ecosystem, I would argue that there is a problem. As Bitcoin's fundamental
improvement over other systems is the lack of need for trust, I believe
that with increased adoption should also come an increased (in absolute
terms) incentive for people to use a full node. I'm seeing the opposite
trend, and that is worrying IMHO.
--
Pieter
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📝 Original message:On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> You make a logical fallacy;
>
> I would agree that nodes are there for people to stop trusting someone that
> they have no trust-relationship with.
>
Yay, trust!
> But your conclusion that low node count is an indication that its hard to
> run
> one discards your own point. You forget the point that running a node is
> only
> needed if you don't know anyone you can trust to run it for you. I'm
> pretty
> darn sure that this will have a bigger effect on nodecount than how hard it
> is.
>
I never said it is the only factor that influences node count.
Or, in other words, without a need to run a node you can't judge the
> difficulty of why there aren't more running.
>
If the incentives for running a node don't weight up against the
cost/difficulty using a full node yourself for a majority of people in the
ecosystem, I would argue that there is a problem. As Bitcoin's fundamental
improvement over other systems is the lack of need for trust, I believe
that with increased adoption should also come an increased (in absolute
terms) incentive for people to use a full node. I'm seeing the opposite
trend, and that is worrying IMHO.
--
Pieter
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