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> why do you hate ipv6?
I named the screenshots of the posts I made about IPv6 "everyone_please_stop_asking_me_why_i_hate_ipv6.png" and "ffs_please_please_stop_asking_me_about_ipv6.png". The reason I named them that was so that, hopefully, people would stop asking me about it, but here we are again.
The notation is ugly and error-prone (for humans as well as machines), we do not need 128 bits (they were allocated because some dicks in the 90s thought that literally every appliance needed an IP address, this was the actual argument), IPv6 has been trying really hard at relevance since the 90s and nobody really wants it, ISPs still aren't ready, private networks still aren't ready (this will have consequences), everything this guy says is correct ( https://apenwarr.ca/log/20170810 and https://tailscale.com/blog/two-internets-both-flakey/ ), and finally, the sales pitch (always delivered by people that refuse to address or acknowledge any of the shortcomings or practical realities), which alternates between utopianism and trying to scare people, is full of lies about how IPv6 solves *everything* (I have heard "adopt our protocol/language/OS/whitespace-conventions and your life will be beautiful forever" before and it is always a lie; in this case, it uncaps a limitation, which is good, but "corrects" some perceived ugliness with worse ugliness) and how IPv4 is going to go away (not in the lifetime of anyone that is here to read this) and how it doesn't matter if you can remember an IP address or not (let alone transcribe one over the phone) and how routing tables (don't even mention BGP) are not already a pain to debug and how their One True Solution is the only conceivable solution. I can rattle that off the top of my head because I have been asked a million times.
IPv6's worst feature has no technical solution, though, and that feature is it's hardline proponents. Very few people talk about IPv6 otherwise; I have only met one or two people on fedi that could discuss it without yelling.
The people pushing it start yelling at you if you say that you don't have a reason to care about IPv6 and will not touch it until you have to. I found this out because I don't have a reason to care about IPv6 and I won't touch it until (or unless) I have to, and I made remarks to that effect. Every time I say something in the vicinity of that, IPv6 partisans start yelling at me, exactly the same way that you expect from people who are in denial about how fundamentally stupid their pet issue is: they've come to perceive apathy as persecution, because gaining any amount of perspective would force them to conclude that it's nothing to get worked up about, and then they'd have no excuse to focus on their pet issue instead of the actual problems they are avoiding by yelling at a stranger on the internet about IPv6, Wayland, loli hentai, hearing a gamer word, not being allowed to say gamer words at their workplace, all of the articles of faith surrounding who goes into which bathroom, Israel and Palestine, Russia and Ukraine, the 'rona, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, whether Hitler did anything evil or everything evil, whether the USSR was real socialism, almost any religious schism. (All fun topics until you run into someone that Cares way too much to have any perspective or a sense of humor about any of it.) You say "I don't care much about that" and they treat it like an attack, because it has caused them pain: if you care and you're on their side then you're an ally and $thing is important, if you care and you hate it then you're an enemy but $thing's importance is still uncontested, but if you really don't care and you say it, then you have put a hairline fracture into the dam that keeps the flood away and have pushed them that much closer to having to cope with their divorce or weird relationship with a parent or shitty job or no job or prior convictions for sexual assault or whatever. So they start trying to fight you and if you get upset then the thing is important and you must have just been lying because you are one of Them, or if you don't then they'll start grasping, they'll proudly announce that you really *are* mad, then declare victory and retreat, anything to keep their thoughts from wandering in the vicinity of how much their life sucks and especially the deepest part of the forbidden zone, the question of how many of the negative results were their own fault and whether or not they might need to fix something.
Anyway, long way of saying I think IPv6 is ugly and I don't like it, but I don't have a reason to care yet and am thoroughly sick of shouty advocates for anything. IPv6 doesn't exist if you ignore it.
> why do you hate ipv6?
I named the screenshots of the posts I made about IPv6 "everyone_please_stop_asking_me_why_i_hate_ipv6.png" and "ffs_please_please_stop_asking_me_about_ipv6.png". The reason I named them that was so that, hopefully, people would stop asking me about it, but here we are again.
The notation is ugly and error-prone (for humans as well as machines), we do not need 128 bits (they were allocated because some dicks in the 90s thought that literally every appliance needed an IP address, this was the actual argument), IPv6 has been trying really hard at relevance since the 90s and nobody really wants it, ISPs still aren't ready, private networks still aren't ready (this will have consequences), everything this guy says is correct ( https://apenwarr.ca/log/20170810 and https://tailscale.com/blog/two-internets-both-flakey/ ), and finally, the sales pitch (always delivered by people that refuse to address or acknowledge any of the shortcomings or practical realities), which alternates between utopianism and trying to scare people, is full of lies about how IPv6 solves *everything* (I have heard "adopt our protocol/language/OS/whitespace-conventions and your life will be beautiful forever" before and it is always a lie; in this case, it uncaps a limitation, which is good, but "corrects" some perceived ugliness with worse ugliness) and how IPv4 is going to go away (not in the lifetime of anyone that is here to read this) and how it doesn't matter if you can remember an IP address or not (let alone transcribe one over the phone) and how routing tables (don't even mention BGP) are not already a pain to debug and how their One True Solution is the only conceivable solution. I can rattle that off the top of my head because I have been asked a million times.
IPv6's worst feature has no technical solution, though, and that feature is it's hardline proponents. Very few people talk about IPv6 otherwise; I have only met one or two people on fedi that could discuss it without yelling.
The people pushing it start yelling at you if you say that you don't have a reason to care about IPv6 and will not touch it until you have to. I found this out because I don't have a reason to care about IPv6 and I won't touch it until (or unless) I have to, and I made remarks to that effect. Every time I say something in the vicinity of that, IPv6 partisans start yelling at me, exactly the same way that you expect from people who are in denial about how fundamentally stupid their pet issue is: they've come to perceive apathy as persecution, because gaining any amount of perspective would force them to conclude that it's nothing to get worked up about, and then they'd have no excuse to focus on their pet issue instead of the actual problems they are avoiding by yelling at a stranger on the internet about IPv6, Wayland, loli hentai, hearing a gamer word, not being allowed to say gamer words at their workplace, all of the articles of faith surrounding who goes into which bathroom, Israel and Palestine, Russia and Ukraine, the 'rona, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, whether Hitler did anything evil or everything evil, whether the USSR was real socialism, almost any religious schism. (All fun topics until you run into someone that Cares way too much to have any perspective or a sense of humor about any of it.) You say "I don't care much about that" and they treat it like an attack, because it has caused them pain: if you care and you're on their side then you're an ally and $thing is important, if you care and you hate it then you're an enemy but $thing's importance is still uncontested, but if you really don't care and you say it, then you have put a hairline fracture into the dam that keeps the flood away and have pushed them that much closer to having to cope with their divorce or weird relationship with a parent or shitty job or no job or prior convictions for sexual assault or whatever. So they start trying to fight you and if you get upset then the thing is important and you must have just been lying because you are one of Them, or if you don't then they'll start grasping, they'll proudly announce that you really *are* mad, then declare victory and retreat, anything to keep their thoughts from wandering in the vicinity of how much their life sucks and especially the deepest part of the forbidden zone, the question of how many of the negative results were their own fault and whether or not they might need to fix something.
Anyway, long way of saying I think IPv6 is ugly and I don't like it, but I don't have a reason to care yet and am thoroughly sick of shouty advocates for anything. IPv6 doesn't exist if you ignore it.