Erik Aronesty [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2021-03-01 📝 Original message:> Today users should start ...
📅 Original date posted:2021-03-01
📝 Original message:> Today users should start cooperating again to continue using the
> optimal strategy.
the "gradual" method of reducing the % of miners required for lock-in
as time goes on seems to encode this optimal strategy.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:43 AM Ariel Luaces via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 12:09 PM Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > If social consensus is what drives technical consensus and not the other way around it seems as if there cannot exist a valid (rational?) reason to oppose Taproot itself, and then by extension with the arguments laid out above, LOT=true seems to be the logical conclusion of all of this, even if Core ships LOT=false at the outset.
> >
> > Where am I wrong here?
> >
> > Keagan
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jeremy via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Personally, I think with either plan the ultimate risk of forking is low given probability to activate before timeout, so we should just pick something and move on, accepting that we aren't setting a precedent by which all future forks should abide. Given my understanding of the tradeoffs, I believe that the safest choice is LOT=true, but I wouldn't move to hold back a plan of LOT=false (but would probably take mitigative steps on community advocacy if it looks like there is non majority but non negligible LOT=true uptake).
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jeremy
> >>
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> To favor LOT=true because it seems like the inevitable result is like
> playing the prisoner's dilemma and never cooperating instead of using
> the most optimal strategy which is tit-for-tat (cooperating at first
> and then cheating once for every time your counterparty cheats).
>
> During segwit users started by cooperating (BIP9, or "LOT=false"),
> then a minority of
> miners didn't cooperate (small veto but remember the majority of
> miners cooperated), then users stopped cooperating in response (UASF),
> then miners
> reverted to cooperating (MASF while intolerant miners forked off).
> Today users should start cooperating again to continue using the
> optimal strategy.
>
> Cheers
> Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces
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📝 Original message:> Today users should start cooperating again to continue using the
> optimal strategy.
the "gradual" method of reducing the % of miners required for lock-in
as time goes on seems to encode this optimal strategy.
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:43 AM Ariel Luaces via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 12:09 PM Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > If social consensus is what drives technical consensus and not the other way around it seems as if there cannot exist a valid (rational?) reason to oppose Taproot itself, and then by extension with the arguments laid out above, LOT=true seems to be the logical conclusion of all of this, even if Core ships LOT=false at the outset.
> >
> > Where am I wrong here?
> >
> > Keagan
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jeremy via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Personally, I think with either plan the ultimate risk of forking is low given probability to activate before timeout, so we should just pick something and move on, accepting that we aren't setting a precedent by which all future forks should abide. Given my understanding of the tradeoffs, I believe that the safest choice is LOT=true, but I wouldn't move to hold back a plan of LOT=false (but would probably take mitigative steps on community advocacy if it looks like there is non majority but non negligible LOT=true uptake).
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jeremy
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> >> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
> To favor LOT=true because it seems like the inevitable result is like
> playing the prisoner's dilemma and never cooperating instead of using
> the most optimal strategy which is tit-for-tat (cooperating at first
> and then cheating once for every time your counterparty cheats).
>
> During segwit users started by cooperating (BIP9, or "LOT=false"),
> then a minority of
> miners didn't cooperate (small veto but remember the majority of
> miners cooperated), then users stopped cooperating in response (UASF),
> then miners
> reverted to cooperating (MASF while intolerant miners forked off).
> Today users should start cooperating again to continue using the
> optimal strategy.
>
> Cheers
> Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev