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From the comment section on this post from Collapse Musings.
https://www.collapsemusings.com/what-it-means-to-be-collapse-aware/
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"Jan Steinman
Started and ran an ecovillage for fifteen years.·8 Mar
Most of human history has been "uncivilized."
Most of human history has been in tribes and clans of under ~150 individuals.
If humans are to survive at all, that's how they'll be doing it — without "civilization."
No, we can't do that with eight billion people. But the survivors will be uncivilized.
"Civilization is a hopeless race to discover remedies for the evils it produces." — Jean Jacques Rousseau
"Civilization is preceded by forests and followed by deserts." — David Holmgren, Permaculture: Principles & Pathways Beyond Sustainability p 254
"Nature must, in the not too distant future, institute bankruptcy proceedings against industrial civilization." — William Catton, 1980
"The development of civilization and industry in general has always shown itself so active in the destruction of forests that everything that has been done for their conservation and production is completely insignificant in comparison." — Karl Marx, Das Capital, 1867
"We are not humanity. I want you to understand what these four words are. They are a summary of all that was forgotten during the Great Forgetting… when the people of our culture began to build civilization in earnest, those four words were practically unthinkable… We forgot that we're only a single culture and came to think of ourselves and humanity itself." — Daniel Quinn, The Teachings That Came Before & After Ishmael p98, excerpted from The Story of B, An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit, date: 1996-01-01, link: https://archive.org/details/isbn_9781502356154/page/44/
"The traits [that] were beneficial in natural selection and allowed humans to colonize the entire planet are counterproductive in a global civilization. Our technological progress has far outpaced our emotional maturity, and now we’re like monkeys playing with blowtorches. Eventually, we’re gonna burn everything down." — Alan Urban, The #1 Reason I Became A Doomer, date: 2024-01-16, link: https://www.collapsemusings.com/the-1-reason-i-became-a-doomer/
"Civilization" is the problem, not the solution."
https://www.collapsemusings.com/what-it-means-to-be-collapse-aware/
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"Jan Steinman
Started and ran an ecovillage for fifteen years.·8 Mar
Most of human history has been "uncivilized."
Most of human history has been in tribes and clans of under ~150 individuals.
If humans are to survive at all, that's how they'll be doing it — without "civilization."
No, we can't do that with eight billion people. But the survivors will be uncivilized.
"Civilization is a hopeless race to discover remedies for the evils it produces." — Jean Jacques Rousseau
"Civilization is preceded by forests and followed by deserts." — David Holmgren, Permaculture: Principles & Pathways Beyond Sustainability p 254
"Nature must, in the not too distant future, institute bankruptcy proceedings against industrial civilization." — William Catton, 1980
"The development of civilization and industry in general has always shown itself so active in the destruction of forests that everything that has been done for their conservation and production is completely insignificant in comparison." — Karl Marx, Das Capital, 1867
"We are not humanity. I want you to understand what these four words are. They are a summary of all that was forgotten during the Great Forgetting… when the people of our culture began to build civilization in earnest, those four words were practically unthinkable… We forgot that we're only a single culture and came to think of ourselves and humanity itself." — Daniel Quinn, The Teachings That Came Before & After Ishmael p98, excerpted from The Story of B, An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit, date: 1996-01-01, link: https://archive.org/details/isbn_9781502356154/page/44/
"The traits [that] were beneficial in natural selection and allowed humans to colonize the entire planet are counterproductive in a global civilization. Our technological progress has far outpaced our emotional maturity, and now we’re like monkeys playing with blowtorches. Eventually, we’re gonna burn everything down." — Alan Urban, The #1 Reason I Became A Doomer, date: 2024-01-16, link: https://www.collapsemusings.com/the-1-reason-i-became-a-doomer/
"Civilization" is the problem, not the solution."