🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 on Nostr: npub1g2epq…pmtng npub1jflcd…gfmdd The thing is, it’s been 75 years. Israel is ...
npub1g2epq8pjulenshj4akvu3wz0aapjg4gjy8hzatnwmyhdgm7ewals6pmtng (npub1g2e…mtng) npub1jflcdvljl0n8hlz27798d0044rxwkqz69gapvcctt4p4gdt4kasqjgfmdd (npub1jfl…fmdd) The thing is, it’s been 75 years. Israel is now a State. They are there. This is a fact which will not change, if the Israeli government has anything to say about it. The fact is, Israel exists.
This is true, it exists, however illegitimate that existence may be. It should not, however, have the right to continue to exist. Simply because its existance is at the expense and theft from those that have been on that land for a very long time.
The proper result is for israel to apologize, dissolve itself, and put themselves at the mercy of Palestine, or they give 100% of the land back to.. invest whatever resources the country has to enable israelis to leave the country if they wish… liquidate the whole thing, people can take a chunk of the nations wealth and use it to relocate if they can (thankfully they are at most 80 years removed from a proper home).. those that cant or wont relocate will be handled as immigrants by palestine.
YEs I know it will be horrible and displace a lot of people.. but no more so than the Palestinians have already been displaced, and at least that will give them back their home and start righting wrongs. Israel’s conflict with their neighbors in Palestine goes back much further than the British Occupancy and the League of Nations’ decision to create a Jewish State.. and the creation of a Jewish State had less to do with “shoving white people” into the region and more to do with setting up a place for Jews to live which was historically correct, and where Jews could be in control of their own destiny.
Thats the narrative sure, and there is some truth to it.. They wanted to steal land from a group of people because they felt their ancestry from 3000 years ago which they might have 1/400th the genes for still somehow gave them some “right to it”… sorry but thats all nonsense to me. Many many people have left their ancestral homeland, it doesnt give you a right to make a 3000 year old claim against people who have been living there for a long long time. Now, the newly minted Israeli government decided that it needed to be strong and militant in order to defend its borders. This militantism rekindled older negative feelings between the Palestinians and other Arabs and the Israelis. As their population grew (due to Right to Return), they ended up needing more land for their people, so the invasions started, etc…
Thats where we are at now, and I do agree… but the invasion started in 1919… the moment a forteign power decided toi abuse the land and resources of people living there it was an invasion. a 3000 year old excuse doesnt change that for me. Now, the newly minted Israeli government decided that it needed to be strong and militant in order to defend its borders. This militantism rekindled older negative feelings between the Palestinians and other Arabs and the Israelis. As their population grew (due to Right to Return), they ended up needing more land for their people, so the invasions started, etc…
On this, and to some extent in general I agree… THe Isralis are wrong historically.. but as you say its a bit too late… but when the wrong that is israel is only 100 years old.. I’d argue that we cant just ignore the fact that Israel is the invading and occupying force. Which means everything they do is far worse ethically than if they had just always been there and rose up in a civil war or something.
This is true, it exists, however illegitimate that existence may be. It should not, however, have the right to continue to exist. Simply because its existance is at the expense and theft from those that have been on that land for a very long time.
The proper result is for israel to apologize, dissolve itself, and put themselves at the mercy of Palestine, or they give 100% of the land back to.. invest whatever resources the country has to enable israelis to leave the country if they wish… liquidate the whole thing, people can take a chunk of the nations wealth and use it to relocate if they can (thankfully they are at most 80 years removed from a proper home).. those that cant or wont relocate will be handled as immigrants by palestine.
YEs I know it will be horrible and displace a lot of people.. but no more so than the Palestinians have already been displaced, and at least that will give them back their home and start righting wrongs. Israel’s conflict with their neighbors in Palestine goes back much further than the British Occupancy and the League of Nations’ decision to create a Jewish State.. and the creation of a Jewish State had less to do with “shoving white people” into the region and more to do with setting up a place for Jews to live which was historically correct, and where Jews could be in control of their own destiny.
Thats the narrative sure, and there is some truth to it.. They wanted to steal land from a group of people because they felt their ancestry from 3000 years ago which they might have 1/400th the genes for still somehow gave them some “right to it”… sorry but thats all nonsense to me. Many many people have left their ancestral homeland, it doesnt give you a right to make a 3000 year old claim against people who have been living there for a long long time. Now, the newly minted Israeli government decided that it needed to be strong and militant in order to defend its borders. This militantism rekindled older negative feelings between the Palestinians and other Arabs and the Israelis. As their population grew (due to Right to Return), they ended up needing more land for their people, so the invasions started, etc…
Thats where we are at now, and I do agree… but the invasion started in 1919… the moment a forteign power decided toi abuse the land and resources of people living there it was an invasion. a 3000 year old excuse doesnt change that for me. Now, the newly minted Israeli government decided that it needed to be strong and militant in order to defend its borders. This militantism rekindled older negative feelings between the Palestinians and other Arabs and the Israelis. As their population grew (due to Right to Return), they ended up needing more land for their people, so the invasions started, etc…
On this, and to some extent in general I agree… THe Isralis are wrong historically.. but as you say its a bit too late… but when the wrong that is israel is only 100 years old.. I’d argue that we cant just ignore the fact that Israel is the invading and occupying force. Which means everything they do is far worse ethically than if they had just always been there and rose up in a civil war or something.