kravietz 🦇 on Nostr: It’s practically impossible to discuss any subject with people who seriously say ...
It’s practically impossible to discuss any subject with people who seriously say “we won WW2”… 🤦♂️
Unfortunately, it’s not merely a trivial expression of frustration from debates going nowhere, but more of a practical validation of old scientific concerns of why communication with aliens may not be possible: not because you can’t find a common channel or language, but because when you do, the underlying concepts are drastically incompatible.
There’s a whole majority of Russian society that don’t seem to have a concept of individual choice or decision. More precisely, they do, but it’s limited to whether you want to go fishing or walking, you want sausage or scrambled eggs, beer A or beer B.
But the decision whether you want to speak language A or B, vote for X or Y, consider Z a hero or not is entirely relied upon a collective decision. Even contemplating a choice in these fields is considered non-compliant.
This collective thinking is not exclusive to Russia, I’ve facepalmed at a British drunk explaining to me all seriously that “we make the best cars here” or Polish drunk ranting about how “we won football match with X”, but only in Russia it has entirely replaced the whole huge chunk of civic thinking.
A British drunk may rant against Labour, Tories, LibDems or Greens, EU, Farage, and he’s entirely honest in his personal feelings.
In Russia they may honestly rant which brand of beer is better, but “we won WW2” is an axiom whose position is so sacred that if you dispute any part of it (“we”, “won”, “WW2” - each of these is disputable from historic point of view), you will be collectively pecked to death at instant.
Unfortunately, it’s not merely a trivial expression of frustration from debates going nowhere, but more of a practical validation of old scientific concerns of why communication with aliens may not be possible: not because you can’t find a common channel or language, but because when you do, the underlying concepts are drastically incompatible.
There’s a whole majority of Russian society that don’t seem to have a concept of individual choice or decision. More precisely, they do, but it’s limited to whether you want to go fishing or walking, you want sausage or scrambled eggs, beer A or beer B.
But the decision whether you want to speak language A or B, vote for X or Y, consider Z a hero or not is entirely relied upon a collective decision. Even contemplating a choice in these fields is considered non-compliant.
This collective thinking is not exclusive to Russia, I’ve facepalmed at a British drunk explaining to me all seriously that “we make the best cars here” or Polish drunk ranting about how “we won football match with X”, but only in Russia it has entirely replaced the whole huge chunk of civic thinking.
A British drunk may rant against Labour, Tories, LibDems or Greens, EU, Farage, and he’s entirely honest in his personal feelings.
In Russia they may honestly rant which brand of beer is better, but “we won WW2” is an axiom whose position is so sacred that if you dispute any part of it (“we”, “won”, “WW2” - each of these is disputable from historic point of view), you will be collectively pecked to death at instant.