Raúl Martínez [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2014-06-06 📝 Original message:Alice does not intercept ...

📅 Original date posted:2014-06-06
📝 Original message:Alice does not intercept the transaction, she only saves it and expect that
it will not be confirmed (because has 0 fee for example).

Also using the Payment Protocol I believe that Alice is the only person
that can relay Bob's transaction.

Source: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070.mediawiki

*When the merchant's server receives the Payment message, it must determine
> whether or not the transactions satisfy conditions of payment. If and only
> if they do, if should broadcast the transaction(s) on the Bitcoin p2p
> network.*
>


2014-06-07 0:11 GMT+02:00 Toshi Morita <toshi at peernova.com>:

> From what I know, Alice does not know to which node Bob will broadcast the
> transaction. Therefore, Alice cannot intercept the transaction and prevent
> the rest of the network from seeing it.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Raúl Martínez <rme at i-rme.es> wrote:
>
>> I dont know if this attack is even possible, it came to my mind and I
>> will try to explain it as good as possible.
>>
>> Some transacions keep unconfirmed forever and finally they are purged by
>> Bitcoin nodes, mostly due to the lack of fees.
>>
>>
>> Example:
>> ---------
>>
>> Alice is selling a pizza to Bob, Bob is now making the payment with
>> Bitcoin.
>> The main goal of this attack is to store a unconfirmed transaction send
>> by Bob for a few days (it will not be included in the blockchain because it
>> has no fee or due to other reason), Bob might resend the payment or might
>> just cancel the deal with Alice.
>>
>> Bob forgets about that failed trade but a couple of days later, Alice,
>> who has stored the signed transacion, relays the transaction to the network
>> (or mines it directly with his own hashpower).
>> Bob does not know what is happening, he believed that that transaction
>> was "canceled forever", he even does not remember the failed pizza deal.
>>
>> Alice has now the bitcoins and Bob does not know what happened with his
>> money.
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> This might also work with the Payment Protocol because when using it Bob
>> does not relay the transaction to the network, its Alices job to do it,
>> Alice stores it and tells Bob to resend the payment, Bob creates another
>> transaction (If has the same inputs as the first TX this does not work)
>> (this one is relayed by Alice to the network).
>>
>> Alice comes back a couple of days later and mines with his hashrate the
>> first transaction (the one she didnt relayed to the network).
>>
>> Alice now has two payments, Bob does not know what happened.
>>
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> I hope that I explained well this possible attack, I dont know if there
>> is already a fix for this problem or if it is simply impossible to execute
>> this kind of attack.
>>
>> Thanks for your time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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