Wendell [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: đ Original date posted:2013-08-09 đ Original message:We have been discussing ...
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Original date posted:2013-08-09
đ Original message:We have been discussing something like this over here too, as well as exploring more esoteric blockchain+signature-based "SSO" implementations as discussed by John Light and others.
One of our long-term ambitions with Hive is to provide a (mostly) user-transparent, decentralized authentication service. It sounds like our infrastructure could already handle a Persona implementation, and we very much want to get behind some forward-thinking standard. So as long as the plan _IS_ to remove said 'centralized struts' at the appropriate time, I'd say we're interested in exploring this further.
-wendell
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On Aug 9, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
> This is just me making notes for myself, I'm not seriously suggesting this be implemented any time soon.
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> Mozilla Persona is an infrastructure for web based single sign on. It works by having email providers sign temporary certificates for their users, whose browsers then sign server-provided challenges to prove their email address.
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> Because an SSO system is a classic chicken/egg setup, they run various fallback services that allow anyone with an email address to take part. They also integrate with the Google/Yahoo SSO systems as well. The intention being that they do this until Persona becomes big enough to matter, and then they can remove the centralised struts and the system becomes transparently decentralised.
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> In other words, they seem to do a lot of things right.
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> Of course you can already sign payments using an X.509 cert issued to an email address with v1 of the payment protocol, so technically no new PKI is needed. But the benefit of leveraging Persona would be convenience - you can get yourself a Persona cert and use it to sign in to websites with a single click, and the user experience is smart and professional. CAs in contrast are designed for web site admins really so the experience of getting a cert for an email address is rather variable and more heavyweight.
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> Unfortunately Persona does not use X.509. It uses a custom thing based on JSON. However, under the hood it's just assertions signed by RSA keys, so an implementation is likely to be quite easy. From the users perspective, their wallet app would embed a browser and drive it as if it were signing into a website, but stop after the user is signed into Persona and a user cert has been provisioned. It can then sign payment requests automatically. For many users, it'd be just one click, which is pretty neat.
đ Original message:We have been discussing something like this over here too, as well as exploring more esoteric blockchain+signature-based "SSO" implementations as discussed by John Light and others.
One of our long-term ambitions with Hive is to provide a (mostly) user-transparent, decentralized authentication service. It sounds like our infrastructure could already handle a Persona implementation, and we very much want to get behind some forward-thinking standard. So as long as the plan _IS_ to remove said 'centralized struts' at the appropriate time, I'd say we're interested in exploring this further.
-wendell
grabhive.com | twitter.com/grabhive | gpg: 6C0C9411
On Aug 9, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
> This is just me making notes for myself, I'm not seriously suggesting this be implemented any time soon.
>
> Mozilla Persona is an infrastructure for web based single sign on. It works by having email providers sign temporary certificates for their users, whose browsers then sign server-provided challenges to prove their email address.
>
> Because an SSO system is a classic chicken/egg setup, they run various fallback services that allow anyone with an email address to take part. They also integrate with the Google/Yahoo SSO systems as well. The intention being that they do this until Persona becomes big enough to matter, and then they can remove the centralised struts and the system becomes transparently decentralised.
>
> In other words, they seem to do a lot of things right.
>
> Of course you can already sign payments using an X.509 cert issued to an email address with v1 of the payment protocol, so technically no new PKI is needed. But the benefit of leveraging Persona would be convenience - you can get yourself a Persona cert and use it to sign in to websites with a single click, and the user experience is smart and professional. CAs in contrast are designed for web site admins really so the experience of getting a cert for an email address is rather variable and more heavyweight.
>
> Unfortunately Persona does not use X.509. It uses a custom thing based on JSON. However, under the hood it's just assertions signed by RSA keys, so an implementation is likely to be quite easy. From the users perspective, their wallet app would embed a browser and drive it as if it were signing into a website, but stop after the user is signed into Persona and a user cert has been provisioned. It can then sign payment requests automatically. For many users, it'd be just one click, which is pretty neat.