:spinnenrad: Springoat :spinnenrad: on Nostr: Few problems: 1. If the jews don't believe in the old testament because they also ...
Few problems:
1. If the jews don't believe in the old testament because they also hold the talmud as holy then the same applies to christians since they also hold the new testament as holy.
2. It's kinda odd to claim the romans were completely and totally justified in calling one jewish sect as troublemakers and being justified in smoking them out, but completely unjustified in calling another jewish sect ("the way"/christianity) troublemakers and wanting to smoke them out too.
3. If the talmud is invalid because the earliest written examples are quite late, then so is the old testament. The earliest written examples of the old testament show up very very late. And there's some evidence to suggest that jewish polytheism was still alive right up until around a century before jesus' birth.
This does not suggest an unbroken tradition stretching back to moses. It suggests they cobbled together the OT quite late in their history and proclaimed it to be ancient, just like they did with the talmud.
4. The whole jew vs. "israelite" distinction is semantic. Even at the time the hebrews were no longer distinct and hadn't been for a long time. By the time they went into conflict with rome they were as ethnically homogenous as they would ever get.
I've also seen a few people try to argue that judeans were a separate people from the israelites because they were separate kingdoms, which is true at several points in their history, but no the one we're talking about here and not for the majority of their history.
We call their descendants "jews" but the term "hebrew" would be more accurate. They have a lot of kasar blood too along with europeans and whatever other genetic souvenirs they picked up along their way but they're still fundamentally jews, they wrote the old testament and the old testament is a racial supremacy document/national myth about how the jews deserve whatever they want because god said so.
Otherwise that was interesting, I hadn't been aware the talmud claimed Nero as a jewish convert (assuming I read that right). That said, it's worth noting that roman emperors often formally adopted the cults of conquered peoples as a sign of supremacy and acted as chief priest in their rituals, since in native european religions that was normally a role performed by kings and war leaders.
1. If the jews don't believe in the old testament because they also hold the talmud as holy then the same applies to christians since they also hold the new testament as holy.
2. It's kinda odd to claim the romans were completely and totally justified in calling one jewish sect as troublemakers and being justified in smoking them out, but completely unjustified in calling another jewish sect ("the way"/christianity) troublemakers and wanting to smoke them out too.
3. If the talmud is invalid because the earliest written examples are quite late, then so is the old testament. The earliest written examples of the old testament show up very very late. And there's some evidence to suggest that jewish polytheism was still alive right up until around a century before jesus' birth.
This does not suggest an unbroken tradition stretching back to moses. It suggests they cobbled together the OT quite late in their history and proclaimed it to be ancient, just like they did with the talmud.
4. The whole jew vs. "israelite" distinction is semantic. Even at the time the hebrews were no longer distinct and hadn't been for a long time. By the time they went into conflict with rome they were as ethnically homogenous as they would ever get.
I've also seen a few people try to argue that judeans were a separate people from the israelites because they were separate kingdoms, which is true at several points in their history, but no the one we're talking about here and not for the majority of their history.
We call their descendants "jews" but the term "hebrew" would be more accurate. They have a lot of kasar blood too along with europeans and whatever other genetic souvenirs they picked up along their way but they're still fundamentally jews, they wrote the old testament and the old testament is a racial supremacy document/national myth about how the jews deserve whatever they want because god said so.
Otherwise that was interesting, I hadn't been aware the talmud claimed Nero as a jewish convert (assuming I read that right). That said, it's worth noting that roman emperors often formally adopted the cults of conquered peoples as a sign of supremacy and acted as chief priest in their rituals, since in native european religions that was normally a role performed by kings and war leaders.