Bram Cohen [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2016-06-14 📝 Original message:This is in response to ...
📅 Original date posted:2016-06-14
📝 Original message:This is in response to Peter Todd's proposal for Merkle Mountain Range
commitments in blocks:
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-May/012715.html
I'm in strong agreement that there's a compelling need to put UTXO
commitments in blocks, and that the big barrier to getting it done is
performance, particularly latency. But I have strong disagreements (or
perhaps the right word is skepticism) about the details.
Peter proposes that there should be both UTXO and STXO commitments, and
they should be based on Merkle Mountain Ranges based on Patricia Tries. My
first big disagreement is about the need for STXO commitments. I think
they're unnecessary and a performance problem. The STXO set is much larger
than the utxo set and requires much more memory and horespower to maintain.
Most if not all of its functionality can in practice be done using the utxo
set. Almost anything accepting proofs of inclusion and exclusion will have
a complete history of block headers, so to prove inclusion in the stxo set
you can use a utxo proof of inclusion in the past and a proof of exclusion
for the most recent block. In the case of a txo which has never been
included at all, it's generally possible to show that an ancestor of the
txo in question was at one point included but that an incompatible
descendant of it (or the ancestor itself) is part of the current utxo set.
Generating these sorts of proofs efficiently can for some applications
require a complete STXO set, but that can done with a non-merkle set,
getting the vastly better performance of an ordinary non-cryptographic
hashtable.
The fundamental approach to handling the latency problem is to have the
utxo commitments trail a bit. Computing utxo commitments takes a certain
amount of time, too much to hold up block propagation but still hopefully
vastly less than the average amount of time between blocks. Trailing by a
single block is probably a bad idea because you sometimes get blocks back
to back, but you never get blocks back to back to back to back. Having the
utxo set be trailing by a fixed amount - five blocks is probably excessive
- would do a perfectly good job of keeping latency from every becoming an
issue. Smaller commitments for the utxos added and removed in each block
alone could be added without any significant performance penalty. That way
all blocks would have sufficient commitments for a completely up to date
proofs of inclusion and exclusion. This is not a controversial approach.
Now I'm going to go out on a limb. My thesis is that usage of a mountain
range is unnecessary, and that a merkle tree in the raw can be made
serviceable by sprinkling magic pixie dust on the performance problem.
There are two causes of performance problems for merkle trees: hashing
operations and memory cache misses. For hashing functions, the difference
between a mountain range and a straight merkle tree is roughly that in a
mountain range there's one operation for each new update times the number
of times that thing will get merged into larger hills. If there are fewer
levels of hills the number of operations is less but the expense of proof
of inclusion will be larger. For raw merkle trees the number of operations
per thing added is the log base 2 of the number of levels in the tree,
minus the log base 2 of the number of things added at once since you can do
lazy evaluation. For practical Bitcoin there are (very roughly) a million
things stored, or 20 levels, and there are (even more roughly) about a
thousand things stored per block, so each thing forces about 20 - 10 = 10
operations. If you follow the fairly reasonable guideline of mountain range
hills go up by factors of four, you instead have 20/2 = 10 operations per
thing added amortized. Depending on details this comparison can go either
way but it's roughly a wash and the complexity of a mountain range is
clearly not worth it at least from the point of view of CPU costs.
But CPU costs aren't the main performance problem in merkle trees. The
biggest issues is cache misses, specifically l1 and l2 cache misses. These
tend to take a long time to do, resulting in the CPU spending most of its
time sitting around doing nothing. A naive tree implementation is pretty
much the worst thing you can possibly build from a cache miss standpoint,
and its performance will be completely unacceptable. Mountain ranges do a
fabulous job of fixing this problem, because all their updates are merges
so the metrics are more like cache misses per block instead of cache misses
per transaction.
The magic pixie dust I mentioned earlier involves a bunch of subtle
implementation details to keep cache coherence down which should get the
number of cache misses per transaction down under one, at which point it
probably isn't a bottleneck any more. There is an implementation in the
works here:
https://github.com/bramcohen/MerkleSet
This implementation isn't finished yet! I'm almost there, and I'm
definitely feeling time pressure now. I've spent quite a lot of time on
this, mostly because of a bunch of technical reworkings which proved
necessary. This is the last time I ever write a database for kicks. But
this implementation is good on all important dimensions, including:
Lazy root calculation
Few l1 and l2 cache misses
Small proofs of inclusion/exclusion
Reasonably simple implementation
Reasonably efficient in memory
Reasonable defense against malicious insertion attacks
There is a bit of a false dichotomy with the mountain range approach.
Mountain ranges need underlying merkle trees, and mine are semantically
nearly identically to Peter's. This is not a coincidence - I adopted
patricia tries at his suggestion. There are a bunch of small changes which
allow a more efficient implementation. I believe that my underlying merkle
tree is unambiguously superior in every way, but the question of whether a
mountain range is worth it is one which can only be answered empirically,
and that requires a bunch of implementation work to be done, starting with
me finishing my merkle tree implementation and then somebody porting it to
C and optimizing it. The Python version has details which are ridiculous
and only make sense once it gets ported, and even under the best of
conditions Python performance is not strongly indicative of C performance.
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📝 Original message:This is in response to Peter Todd's proposal for Merkle Mountain Range
commitments in blocks:
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-May/012715.html
I'm in strong agreement that there's a compelling need to put UTXO
commitments in blocks, and that the big barrier to getting it done is
performance, particularly latency. But I have strong disagreements (or
perhaps the right word is skepticism) about the details.
Peter proposes that there should be both UTXO and STXO commitments, and
they should be based on Merkle Mountain Ranges based on Patricia Tries. My
first big disagreement is about the need for STXO commitments. I think
they're unnecessary and a performance problem. The STXO set is much larger
than the utxo set and requires much more memory and horespower to maintain.
Most if not all of its functionality can in practice be done using the utxo
set. Almost anything accepting proofs of inclusion and exclusion will have
a complete history of block headers, so to prove inclusion in the stxo set
you can use a utxo proof of inclusion in the past and a proof of exclusion
for the most recent block. In the case of a txo which has never been
included at all, it's generally possible to show that an ancestor of the
txo in question was at one point included but that an incompatible
descendant of it (or the ancestor itself) is part of the current utxo set.
Generating these sorts of proofs efficiently can for some applications
require a complete STXO set, but that can done with a non-merkle set,
getting the vastly better performance of an ordinary non-cryptographic
hashtable.
The fundamental approach to handling the latency problem is to have the
utxo commitments trail a bit. Computing utxo commitments takes a certain
amount of time, too much to hold up block propagation but still hopefully
vastly less than the average amount of time between blocks. Trailing by a
single block is probably a bad idea because you sometimes get blocks back
to back, but you never get blocks back to back to back to back. Having the
utxo set be trailing by a fixed amount - five blocks is probably excessive
- would do a perfectly good job of keeping latency from every becoming an
issue. Smaller commitments for the utxos added and removed in each block
alone could be added without any significant performance penalty. That way
all blocks would have sufficient commitments for a completely up to date
proofs of inclusion and exclusion. This is not a controversial approach.
Now I'm going to go out on a limb. My thesis is that usage of a mountain
range is unnecessary, and that a merkle tree in the raw can be made
serviceable by sprinkling magic pixie dust on the performance problem.
There are two causes of performance problems for merkle trees: hashing
operations and memory cache misses. For hashing functions, the difference
between a mountain range and a straight merkle tree is roughly that in a
mountain range there's one operation for each new update times the number
of times that thing will get merged into larger hills. If there are fewer
levels of hills the number of operations is less but the expense of proof
of inclusion will be larger. For raw merkle trees the number of operations
per thing added is the log base 2 of the number of levels in the tree,
minus the log base 2 of the number of things added at once since you can do
lazy evaluation. For practical Bitcoin there are (very roughly) a million
things stored, or 20 levels, and there are (even more roughly) about a
thousand things stored per block, so each thing forces about 20 - 10 = 10
operations. If you follow the fairly reasonable guideline of mountain range
hills go up by factors of four, you instead have 20/2 = 10 operations per
thing added amortized. Depending on details this comparison can go either
way but it's roughly a wash and the complexity of a mountain range is
clearly not worth it at least from the point of view of CPU costs.
But CPU costs aren't the main performance problem in merkle trees. The
biggest issues is cache misses, specifically l1 and l2 cache misses. These
tend to take a long time to do, resulting in the CPU spending most of its
time sitting around doing nothing. A naive tree implementation is pretty
much the worst thing you can possibly build from a cache miss standpoint,
and its performance will be completely unacceptable. Mountain ranges do a
fabulous job of fixing this problem, because all their updates are merges
so the metrics are more like cache misses per block instead of cache misses
per transaction.
The magic pixie dust I mentioned earlier involves a bunch of subtle
implementation details to keep cache coherence down which should get the
number of cache misses per transaction down under one, at which point it
probably isn't a bottleneck any more. There is an implementation in the
works here:
https://github.com/bramcohen/MerkleSet
This implementation isn't finished yet! I'm almost there, and I'm
definitely feeling time pressure now. I've spent quite a lot of time on
this, mostly because of a bunch of technical reworkings which proved
necessary. This is the last time I ever write a database for kicks. But
this implementation is good on all important dimensions, including:
Lazy root calculation
Few l1 and l2 cache misses
Small proofs of inclusion/exclusion
Reasonably simple implementation
Reasonably efficient in memory
Reasonable defense against malicious insertion attacks
There is a bit of a false dichotomy with the mountain range approach.
Mountain ranges need underlying merkle trees, and mine are semantically
nearly identically to Peter's. This is not a coincidence - I adopted
patricia tries at his suggestion. There are a bunch of small changes which
allow a more efficient implementation. I believe that my underlying merkle
tree is unambiguously superior in every way, but the question of whether a
mountain range is worth it is one which can only be answered empirically,
and that requires a bunch of implementation work to be done, starting with
me finishing my merkle tree implementation and then somebody porting it to
C and optimizing it. The Python version has details which are ridiculous
and only make sense once it gets ported, and even under the best of
conditions Python performance is not strongly indicative of C performance.
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