Fabrice Drouin [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2016-02-01 📝 Original message: On 27 January 2016 at ...
📅 Original date posted:2016-02-01
📝 Original message:
On 27 January 2016 at 04:07, Rusty Russell <rusty at rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> As more code emerges, I'd like to try to nail down a "1.0"
> version of the inter-node protocol as much as possible. Since I'm most
> familiar with my own code (c-lightning[1]), I'll use that as a basis and
> discuss differences (esp. vs lnd[2]).
>
> For this email I'll simply list the changes or proposals I'm aware of,
> then we can dissect and comment on each one: defer, accept or close.
>
> Direct wire format stuff
> ------------------------
>
> - Protobufs vs open-coded structures
> - lnd open-coded their own protocol; I haven't finished reading their
> code though.
> - protobufs are easy to extend with new fields; with an open-coded
> proto we simply need a rule that too-long packets are valid.
> - protobufs are annoying for fixed-length blobs which we use a lot
> (keys, signatures, hashes).
> - The protocol is currently simple with very few variable-length fields.
Hello,
We (Pierre and I, the guys who work on the scala thingy :-) would
rather use a "standard" binary format and protobuf seems to be a very
good choice. Since incoming messages are encrypted, text based formats
(JSON, ...) would not help that much for debugging and are not imho a
good fit for binary protocols.
> - Length prefix for initial key exchange
> - Both lnd and c-lightning begin by exchanging a 33-byte EC key for DH.
> - We should prefix with a length word, so we can extend this later
> (eg. for new crypto)
Agreed.
> - HTLC pipelining
> - lnd's protocol supports multiple in-flight HTLC negotiations; this
> would allow much greater throughput, with some complexity.
> - lightning-c uses a simple one-at-a-time scheme, with alternating
> priority in case of simultaneous sends.
Just to be sure that we understand this, you mean grouping HTLCs and
sending them with one message (so just one signature will be
exchanged). It becomes more complex for clients because they will have
to buffer and group incoming HTLCs but the protocol and the
transitions remain pretty much the same ?
> Misc
> ----
> - shachain vs elkrem
> - We use this to generate the revocation secrets, to minimize storage
> and computation for a huge number of old commitment txs.
> - They're actually very similar, but elkrem is much easier to grok.[6]
I like both, they're easy to implement and elkrem was indeed much
easier to understand. I don't know precisely why yet but I would
choose shachain though.
Cheers,
Fabrice
📝 Original message:
On 27 January 2016 at 04:07, Rusty Russell <rusty at rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> As more code emerges, I'd like to try to nail down a "1.0"
> version of the inter-node protocol as much as possible. Since I'm most
> familiar with my own code (c-lightning[1]), I'll use that as a basis and
> discuss differences (esp. vs lnd[2]).
>
> For this email I'll simply list the changes or proposals I'm aware of,
> then we can dissect and comment on each one: defer, accept or close.
>
> Direct wire format stuff
> ------------------------
>
> - Protobufs vs open-coded structures
> - lnd open-coded their own protocol; I haven't finished reading their
> code though.
> - protobufs are easy to extend with new fields; with an open-coded
> proto we simply need a rule that too-long packets are valid.
> - protobufs are annoying for fixed-length blobs which we use a lot
> (keys, signatures, hashes).
> - The protocol is currently simple with very few variable-length fields.
Hello,
We (Pierre and I, the guys who work on the scala thingy :-) would
rather use a "standard" binary format and protobuf seems to be a very
good choice. Since incoming messages are encrypted, text based formats
(JSON, ...) would not help that much for debugging and are not imho a
good fit for binary protocols.
> - Length prefix for initial key exchange
> - Both lnd and c-lightning begin by exchanging a 33-byte EC key for DH.
> - We should prefix with a length word, so we can extend this later
> (eg. for new crypto)
Agreed.
> - HTLC pipelining
> - lnd's protocol supports multiple in-flight HTLC negotiations; this
> would allow much greater throughput, with some complexity.
> - lightning-c uses a simple one-at-a-time scheme, with alternating
> priority in case of simultaneous sends.
Just to be sure that we understand this, you mean grouping HTLCs and
sending them with one message (so just one signature will be
exchanged). It becomes more complex for clients because they will have
to buffer and group incoming HTLCs but the protocol and the
transitions remain pretty much the same ?
> Misc
> ----
> - shachain vs elkrem
> - We use this to generate the revocation secrets, to minimize storage
> and computation for a huge number of old commitment txs.
> - They're actually very similar, but elkrem is much easier to grok.[6]
I like both, they're easy to implement and elkrem was indeed much
easier to understand. I don't know precisely why yet but I would
choose shachain though.
Cheers,
Fabrice