Mark Friedenbach [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2015-08-19 📝 Original message:We can use nVersion & 0x8 ...
📅 Original date posted:2015-08-19
📝 Original message:We can use nVersion & 0x8 to signal support, while keeping the consensus
rule as nVersion >= 4, right? That way we don't waste a bit after this all
clears up.
On Aug 18, 2015 10:50 PM, "Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Deployment of the proposed CLTV, CSV, etc. soft-forks has been recently
> complicated by the existence of XT(1) and Not-Bitcoin-XT(2) miners. Both
> mine blocks with nVersion=0x20000007, which would falsely trigger the
> previously suggested implementation using the IsSuperMajority()
> mechanism and nVersion=4 blocks. Additionally while the
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT software claims to support Wuille/Todd/Maxwell's
> nVersion soft-fork mechanism(3) a key component of it - fork
> deadlines(3) - is not implemented.
>
>
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT behavior
> --------------------------
>
> Both implementations produce blocks with nVersion=0x20000007,
> or in binary: 0b001...111
>
> Neither implementation supports a fork deadline; both Not-Bitcoin-XT and
> XT will produce blocks with those bits set indefinitely under any
> circumstance, with the proviso that while XT has a hashing power
> majority, blocks it produces might not be part of the Bitcoin blockchain
> after Jan 11th 2016. (though this can flap back and forth if reorgs
> happen)
>
> Curiously the BIP101 draft was changed(4) at the last minute from using
> the nVersion bits compliant 0x20000004 block nVersion, to using two more
> bits unnecessarily. The rational for doing this is unknown; the git
> commit message associated with the change suggested "compatibility
> concerns", but what the concerns actually were isn't specified. Equally
> even though implementing the fork deadline would be very each in the XT
> implementation, this was not done. (the XT codebase has had almost no
> peer review)
>
>
> Options for CLTV/CSV/etc. deployment
> ------------------------------------
>
> 1) Plain IsSuperMajority() with nVersion=4
>
> This option can be ruled out immediately due to the high risk of
> premature triggering, without genuine 95% miner support.
>
>
> 2) nVersion mask, with IsSuperMajority()
>
> In this option the nVersion bits set by XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT miners would
> be masked away, prior to applying standard IsSuperMajority() logic:
>
> block.nVersion & ~0x20000007
>
> This means that CLTV/CSV/etc. miners running Bitcoin Core would create
> blocks with nVersion=8, 0b1000. From the perspective of the
> CLTV/CSV/etc. IsSuperMajority() test, XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT miners would be
> advertising blocks that do not trigger the soft-fork.
>
> For the perpose of soft-fork warnings, the highest known version can
> remain nVersion=8, which is triggered by both XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT blocks
> as well as a future nVersion bits implementation. Equally,
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT soft-fork warnings will be triggered, by having an
> unknown bit set.
>
> When nVersion bits is implemented by the Bitcoin protocol, the plan of
> setting the high bits to 0b001 still works. The three lowest bits will
> be unusable for some time, but will be eventually recoverable as
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT mining ceases.
>
> Equally, further IsSuperMajority() softforks can be accomplished with
> the same masking technique.
>
> This option does complicate the XT-coin protocol implementation in the
> future. But that's their problem, and anyway, the maintainers
> (Hearn/Andresen) has strenuously argued(5) against the use of soft-forks
> and/or appear to be in favor of a more centralized mandatory update
> schedule.(6)
>
>
> 3) Full nVersion bits implementation
>
> The most complex option would be to deploy via full nVersion bits
> implementation using flag bit #4 to trigger the fork. Compliant miners
> would advertise 0x20000008 initially, followed by 0x20000000 once the
> fork had triggered. The lowest three bits would be unusable for forks
> for some time, although they could be eventually recovered as
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT mining ceases.
>
> The main disadvantage of this option is high initial complexity - the
> reason why IsSuperMajority() was suggested for CLTV/CSV in the first
> place. That said, much of the code required has been implemented in XT
> for the BIP101 hard-fork logic, although as mentioned above, the code
> has had very little peer review.
>
>
> References
> ----------
>
> 1) https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt
>
> 2) https://github.com/xtbit/notbitcoinxt
>
> 3) "Version bits proposal",
> Pieter Wuille, May 26th 2015, Bitcoin-development mailing list,
>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008282.html
> ,
> https://gist.github.com/sipa/bf69659f43e763540550
>
> 4)
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/commit/3248c9f67bd7fcd1d05b8db7c5c56e4788deebfe
>
> 5) "On consensus and forks - What is the difference between a hard and
> soft fork?",
> Mike Hearn, Aug 12th 2015,
> https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-consensus-and-forks-c6a050c792e7
>
> 6) 2013 San Jose Bitcoin conference developer round-table
>
> --
> 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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📝 Original message:We can use nVersion & 0x8 to signal support, while keeping the consensus
rule as nVersion >= 4, right? That way we don't waste a bit after this all
clears up.
On Aug 18, 2015 10:50 PM, "Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Deployment of the proposed CLTV, CSV, etc. soft-forks has been recently
> complicated by the existence of XT(1) and Not-Bitcoin-XT(2) miners. Both
> mine blocks with nVersion=0x20000007, which would falsely trigger the
> previously suggested implementation using the IsSuperMajority()
> mechanism and nVersion=4 blocks. Additionally while the
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT software claims to support Wuille/Todd/Maxwell's
> nVersion soft-fork mechanism(3) a key component of it - fork
> deadlines(3) - is not implemented.
>
>
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT behavior
> --------------------------
>
> Both implementations produce blocks with nVersion=0x20000007,
> or in binary: 0b001...111
>
> Neither implementation supports a fork deadline; both Not-Bitcoin-XT and
> XT will produce blocks with those bits set indefinitely under any
> circumstance, with the proviso that while XT has a hashing power
> majority, blocks it produces might not be part of the Bitcoin blockchain
> after Jan 11th 2016. (though this can flap back and forth if reorgs
> happen)
>
> Curiously the BIP101 draft was changed(4) at the last minute from using
> the nVersion bits compliant 0x20000004 block nVersion, to using two more
> bits unnecessarily. The rational for doing this is unknown; the git
> commit message associated with the change suggested "compatibility
> concerns", but what the concerns actually were isn't specified. Equally
> even though implementing the fork deadline would be very each in the XT
> implementation, this was not done. (the XT codebase has had almost no
> peer review)
>
>
> Options for CLTV/CSV/etc. deployment
> ------------------------------------
>
> 1) Plain IsSuperMajority() with nVersion=4
>
> This option can be ruled out immediately due to the high risk of
> premature triggering, without genuine 95% miner support.
>
>
> 2) nVersion mask, with IsSuperMajority()
>
> In this option the nVersion bits set by XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT miners would
> be masked away, prior to applying standard IsSuperMajority() logic:
>
> block.nVersion & ~0x20000007
>
> This means that CLTV/CSV/etc. miners running Bitcoin Core would create
> blocks with nVersion=8, 0b1000. From the perspective of the
> CLTV/CSV/etc. IsSuperMajority() test, XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT miners would be
> advertising blocks that do not trigger the soft-fork.
>
> For the perpose of soft-fork warnings, the highest known version can
> remain nVersion=8, which is triggered by both XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT blocks
> as well as a future nVersion bits implementation. Equally,
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT soft-fork warnings will be triggered, by having an
> unknown bit set.
>
> When nVersion bits is implemented by the Bitcoin protocol, the plan of
> setting the high bits to 0b001 still works. The three lowest bits will
> be unusable for some time, but will be eventually recoverable as
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT mining ceases.
>
> Equally, further IsSuperMajority() softforks can be accomplished with
> the same masking technique.
>
> This option does complicate the XT-coin protocol implementation in the
> future. But that's their problem, and anyway, the maintainers
> (Hearn/Andresen) has strenuously argued(5) against the use of soft-forks
> and/or appear to be in favor of a more centralized mandatory update
> schedule.(6)
>
>
> 3) Full nVersion bits implementation
>
> The most complex option would be to deploy via full nVersion bits
> implementation using flag bit #4 to trigger the fork. Compliant miners
> would advertise 0x20000008 initially, followed by 0x20000000 once the
> fork had triggered. The lowest three bits would be unusable for forks
> for some time, although they could be eventually recovered as
> XT/Not-Bitcoin-XT mining ceases.
>
> The main disadvantage of this option is high initial complexity - the
> reason why IsSuperMajority() was suggested for CLTV/CSV in the first
> place. That said, much of the code required has been implemented in XT
> for the BIP101 hard-fork logic, although as mentioned above, the code
> has had very little peer review.
>
>
> References
> ----------
>
> 1) https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt
>
> 2) https://github.com/xtbit/notbitcoinxt
>
> 3) "Version bits proposal",
> Pieter Wuille, May 26th 2015, Bitcoin-development mailing list,
>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008282.html
> ,
> https://gist.github.com/sipa/bf69659f43e763540550
>
> 4)
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/commit/3248c9f67bd7fcd1d05b8db7c5c56e4788deebfe
>
> 5) "On consensus and forks - What is the difference between a hard and
> soft fork?",
> Mike Hearn, Aug 12th 2015,
> https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-consensus-and-forks-c6a050c792e7
>
> 6) 2013 San Jose Bitcoin conference developer round-table
>
> --
> 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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