JayByte on Nostr: I found this parable 7 years ago in a small imageboard on philosophy topic. Can you ...
I found this parable 7 years ago in a small imageboard on philosophy topic. Can you help me identify origins of it? I only have a text of it saved on my computer (other parts of the story are in comments):
"During my walk on the lake, I was talking with an imaginable creature. Which appears to be an angel. I talked with him about what is the difference between free and slave person. He offered me to imagine a bottle and a landscape. Bottle uses its water for different actions. We went through different stages of differences:
1) "Free" bottle moves. "Slave" bottle does not move.
2) "Free" bottle moves in different directions. "Slave" bottle moves in one direction.
3) "Free" bottle moves, builds new walls and crashes existing walls. "Slave" bottle only moves.
4) "Free" bottle moves, builds, crashes and makes building and crashing more efficient. "Slave" bottle moves, builds new walls with only a clay and crashes walls with only a stone stick.
5) "Free" bottle moves, builds, crashes, optimizes, records and reuses information on his clay with stone stick. "Slave" bottle only moves, builds, crashes and tries to find "best" solution.
6) "Free" bottle moves, builds, crashes, optimizes, records, reuses information and uses walls for recording. "Slave" bottle doesn't see walls as recording mean.
7) "Free" bottle learns from past sucked bottle. "Slave" bottle starts from scratch every time.
8) "Free" bottle knows: its capacity is limited for water, and it grows something different for extra capacity. "Slave" bottle only recharges water.
9) "Free" bottle is focused on life. "Slave" bottle is focused on easy-to-follow frames or comfort zone.
10) "Free" bottle rests. "Slave" bottle is busy every time.
So this is how I can determine difference between the "free" and the "slave".
Then I asked The Angel about what's the difference between the "good" and the "evil". If they can do the same things in different contexts. The Angel said me something like:
- The Good is free and harmonic. The evil destroys itself and tries to survive at the same time.
- But isn't the evil harmonic if it can keep the same level of life with different means?
- Harmony is eternal. It is about finding a balance between your qualia and surroundings. Self-destruction with survival is not eternal. It's limiting. Harmony and limiting are different things.
- How does harmony come in pair with freedom if harmony also poses constraints?
- You can live healthy and peaceful life with unlimited journey and creation. And you don't need to have more power or money, than you need to achieve for this. This is what about this dichotomy.
- So The Good lives life and creates value for themselves and then for others? And the evil is limited in beliefs so it tries to limit others to survive? So others can also be drained into the same game?
- Yes. You are right.
- Isn't utilizing resources of Nature a destruction for survival?
- No.
- Why?
- They can be utilized for growth. Like child grows in size to adult person. And a single room apartment which looked like a palace, starts to look like a cage.
- So The Good grows until free harmonic eternity is achieved? And the evil deludes itself by false beliefs into eternity of their limited image?
- Yes.
- But other conscious beings can also be utilized as resources.
- Then they're not conscious beings. They're fully controlled items like minerals or cattle. Conscious beings brings the Harmony and the Freedom.
- So The Good works on par with other conscious beings to grow? And the evil tries to destroy consious beings to extract resources for its survival?
- Yes.
- Can the evil be a shadow of The Good? And this shadow deludes itself, that it's worth the same and even greater than The Good?
- Yes. You're right.
- I understand you. Why the evil exists then?
- It exists to understand The Good. The Good learns All The Life. To achieve The Harmony and The Freedom. While the evil portrays All The World as a perfect sphere, which can be easily predicted and controlled.
- I understand you.
Then I walked out of the forest back to the home. The Angel said:
- We are walking through the people. I keep you. So that you look easy while dreaming. Today you have a rest and dreaming mind because you underslept. That's ok. Later you will sleep well and be in more hurry for your path."
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"During my walk on the lake, I was talking with an imaginable creature. Which appears to be an angel. I talked with him about what is the difference between free and slave person. He offered me to imagine a bottle and a landscape. Bottle uses its water for different actions. We went through different stages of differences:
1) "Free" bottle moves. "Slave" bottle does not move.
2) "Free" bottle moves in different directions. "Slave" bottle moves in one direction.
3) "Free" bottle moves, builds new walls and crashes existing walls. "Slave" bottle only moves.
4) "Free" bottle moves, builds, crashes and makes building and crashing more efficient. "Slave" bottle moves, builds new walls with only a clay and crashes walls with only a stone stick.
5) "Free" bottle moves, builds, crashes, optimizes, records and reuses information on his clay with stone stick. "Slave" bottle only moves, builds, crashes and tries to find "best" solution.
6) "Free" bottle moves, builds, crashes, optimizes, records, reuses information and uses walls for recording. "Slave" bottle doesn't see walls as recording mean.
7) "Free" bottle learns from past sucked bottle. "Slave" bottle starts from scratch every time.
8) "Free" bottle knows: its capacity is limited for water, and it grows something different for extra capacity. "Slave" bottle only recharges water.
9) "Free" bottle is focused on life. "Slave" bottle is focused on easy-to-follow frames or comfort zone.
10) "Free" bottle rests. "Slave" bottle is busy every time.
So this is how I can determine difference between the "free" and the "slave".
Then I asked The Angel about what's the difference between the "good" and the "evil". If they can do the same things in different contexts. The Angel said me something like:
- The Good is free and harmonic. The evil destroys itself and tries to survive at the same time.
- But isn't the evil harmonic if it can keep the same level of life with different means?
- Harmony is eternal. It is about finding a balance between your qualia and surroundings. Self-destruction with survival is not eternal. It's limiting. Harmony and limiting are different things.
- How does harmony come in pair with freedom if harmony also poses constraints?
- You can live healthy and peaceful life with unlimited journey and creation. And you don't need to have more power or money, than you need to achieve for this. This is what about this dichotomy.
- So The Good lives life and creates value for themselves and then for others? And the evil is limited in beliefs so it tries to limit others to survive? So others can also be drained into the same game?
- Yes. You are right.
- Isn't utilizing resources of Nature a destruction for survival?
- No.
- Why?
- They can be utilized for growth. Like child grows in size to adult person. And a single room apartment which looked like a palace, starts to look like a cage.
- So The Good grows until free harmonic eternity is achieved? And the evil deludes itself by false beliefs into eternity of their limited image?
- Yes.
- But other conscious beings can also be utilized as resources.
- Then they're not conscious beings. They're fully controlled items like minerals or cattle. Conscious beings brings the Harmony and the Freedom.
- So The Good works on par with other conscious beings to grow? And the evil tries to destroy consious beings to extract resources for its survival?
- Yes.
- Can the evil be a shadow of The Good? And this shadow deludes itself, that it's worth the same and even greater than The Good?
- Yes. You're right.
- I understand you. Why the evil exists then?
- It exists to understand The Good. The Good learns All The Life. To achieve The Harmony and The Freedom. While the evil portrays All The World as a perfect sphere, which can be easily predicted and controlled.
- I understand you.
Then I walked out of the forest back to the home. The Angel said:
- We are walking through the people. I keep you. So that you look easy while dreaming. Today you have a rest and dreaming mind because you underslept. That's ok. Later you will sleep well and be in more hurry for your path."
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