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npub1jflcdvljl0n8hlz27798d0044rxwkqz69gapvcctt4p4gdt4kasqjgfmdd (npub1jfl…fmdd) 160k vs. 700k and “Jews made up something like 10%”: Wasn’t the Jewish population like 500k by 1940? Your 160k to 700k sounds more like 1930 numbers? I’m not sure where you got those from, are you talking about a specific region that is much smaller than ex-Mandatory Palestine?
Ok so you have to keep in mind, 1947 is only when the invasion was announced with official borders for the annex. The start of the invasion was the british takeover in 1920, which had started in 1917 witht he Balfour decleration where Britain proclaimed its intention to take over the region and roce the invasion of jewish people upon the population currently living there. That was the start of the invasion in one sense or another as the british used its power to force the palestinians to accept jewish-only immigrants on to their land while explicitly denying arab imigrants in an attempt to intentionally tip the balance in that region.
So over the course of time from 1920 when the occupation of the british began, until 1947 when the Jews carried on the invasion on their own (and officially announced borders they intended to annex) was largely when the influx began.
So here are the official numbers for those dates (Source cited at the end):
1922 before the start of the occupation/invasion by brits: 84K Jews, 589K Muslim thats over 7x more Muslim than jews.
1947 at the end of British occupation after intentionally trying to inflate the area with more jews: 630K jews, and 1.1 million Muslims. Still approximately twice the number of Muslims to jews. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Statistics,_1945 – is this a total fabrication by the British??)
Yes, and no. The numbers there line up with what I said above… But its important within context. The British took over and occupied the land giving the native people no say in their own democracy, and in fact were intentionally diminished. Over the course of their rain they declared publicly their intent was to force millions of immigrants, jews, on the Palestinians against their objections. The numbers only rose to that level due to the British invasion and intentional injection of illegal immigrants into Palestine. So yes the ratio when from 7:1 to 2:1 in favor of palestinians due to an occupying force intentionally manipulating the population. When the partition was made, Jews were about 600k, 1/3 of the population. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be saying that number went from 160k to 600k in 1947. From everything I can find, this is not true? Instead, 160k->600k was gradual over a generation. (Do you have better sources than I do?
I cited sources for this. Population of jews went from 84K to 630K over the course of 20 years. This was intentionally done by Britain to manipulate the population in favor of Jews as they announced before their takeover that they would do exactly that. …uh, ok… I’m not trying to justify British colonialism here, not sure what your point is.
My point is that since the british was an invalid occupying force, and they acted contrary to the wishes of the citizens, those citizens are not valid since they were not recognized by the people who already were living on that land and were the rightful democratic body to make such a decision.
The brits cant just come in, force a bunch of white people on everyone and then leave and go “nope they have a right to be there”… like hell they do, Britain never had the right in the first place. fully agree. Something had to happen, though: there were 1/2 million Jews there and tons of violence. Do you think you could have done better?
I mean the brits are the ones who put those people there and started the violence… So yea something had to happen, they had to get those people out of the land they had no right to be on. If britain wanted to give refugees a home they should have given them part of britain, not someone elses home.
Citation:
Pergola, Sergio della (2001). “Demography in Israel/Palestine: Trends, Prospects, Policy Implications” (PDF). Semantic Scholar. S2CID 45782452. Archived from the original (PDF) on 20 August 2018.
Ok so you have to keep in mind, 1947 is only when the invasion was announced with official borders for the annex. The start of the invasion was the british takeover in 1920, which had started in 1917 witht he Balfour decleration where Britain proclaimed its intention to take over the region and roce the invasion of jewish people upon the population currently living there. That was the start of the invasion in one sense or another as the british used its power to force the palestinians to accept jewish-only immigrants on to their land while explicitly denying arab imigrants in an attempt to intentionally tip the balance in that region.
So over the course of time from 1920 when the occupation of the british began, until 1947 when the Jews carried on the invasion on their own (and officially announced borders they intended to annex) was largely when the influx began.
So here are the official numbers for those dates (Source cited at the end):
1922 before the start of the occupation/invasion by brits: 84K Jews, 589K Muslim thats over 7x more Muslim than jews.
1947 at the end of British occupation after intentionally trying to inflate the area with more jews: 630K jews, and 1.1 million Muslims. Still approximately twice the number of Muslims to jews. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Statistics,_1945 – is this a total fabrication by the British??)
Yes, and no. The numbers there line up with what I said above… But its important within context. The British took over and occupied the land giving the native people no say in their own democracy, and in fact were intentionally diminished. Over the course of their rain they declared publicly their intent was to force millions of immigrants, jews, on the Palestinians against their objections. The numbers only rose to that level due to the British invasion and intentional injection of illegal immigrants into Palestine. So yes the ratio when from 7:1 to 2:1 in favor of palestinians due to an occupying force intentionally manipulating the population. When the partition was made, Jews were about 600k, 1/3 of the population. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be saying that number went from 160k to 600k in 1947. From everything I can find, this is not true? Instead, 160k->600k was gradual over a generation. (Do you have better sources than I do?
I cited sources for this. Population of jews went from 84K to 630K over the course of 20 years. This was intentionally done by Britain to manipulate the population in favor of Jews as they announced before their takeover that they would do exactly that. …uh, ok… I’m not trying to justify British colonialism here, not sure what your point is.
My point is that since the british was an invalid occupying force, and they acted contrary to the wishes of the citizens, those citizens are not valid since they were not recognized by the people who already were living on that land and were the rightful democratic body to make such a decision.
The brits cant just come in, force a bunch of white people on everyone and then leave and go “nope they have a right to be there”… like hell they do, Britain never had the right in the first place. fully agree. Something had to happen, though: there were 1/2 million Jews there and tons of violence. Do you think you could have done better?
I mean the brits are the ones who put those people there and started the violence… So yea something had to happen, they had to get those people out of the land they had no right to be on. If britain wanted to give refugees a home they should have given them part of britain, not someone elses home.
Citation:
Pergola, Sergio della (2001). “Demography in Israel/Palestine: Trends, Prospects, Policy Implications” (PDF). Semantic Scholar. S2CID 45782452. Archived from the original (PDF) on 20 August 2018.