imnuso on Nostr: None of your response is wrong. However, it doesn't fully address, let alone refute, ...
None of your response is wrong. However, it doesn't fully address, let alone refute, my original point.
To use your phrase, words are a composite of data and attributes of meaning.
You're right that data is objective truth. Not a lie.
But ascribed meaning is not objective. It's intersubjective at best.
The second people perceive a word as objective truth, while neglecting the fact that it's also a subjective interpretation of reality, the word becomes a lie.
That's the first part of my original argument. Here is the second part: this lie, however, creates reality.
The word "God" has objective elements. The sounds it makes, the letters it's written in. But that is trivial.
What people have fought over for thousands of years is the subjective interpretation it evokes and the power it has to shape intersubjective, or let's say societal, perceptions.
That's because these perceptions guide behaviors like burning witches, or sacrificing one's life for others, or flagellating oneself, or giving money to the church, etc.
The intersubjective truth of a word interpreted as an expression of objective truth, ignoring the fact that it has subjective elements in the first place: that's a lie that creates facts.
Ps I enjoy the discussion, although I don't have much time to engage at the moment.
To use your phrase, words are a composite of data and attributes of meaning.
You're right that data is objective truth. Not a lie.
But ascribed meaning is not objective. It's intersubjective at best.
The second people perceive a word as objective truth, while neglecting the fact that it's also a subjective interpretation of reality, the word becomes a lie.
That's the first part of my original argument. Here is the second part: this lie, however, creates reality.
The word "God" has objective elements. The sounds it makes, the letters it's written in. But that is trivial.
What people have fought over for thousands of years is the subjective interpretation it evokes and the power it has to shape intersubjective, or let's say societal, perceptions.
That's because these perceptions guide behaviors like burning witches, or sacrificing one's life for others, or flagellating oneself, or giving money to the church, etc.
The intersubjective truth of a word interpreted as an expression of objective truth, ignoring the fact that it has subjective elements in the first place: that's a lie that creates facts.
Ps I enjoy the discussion, although I don't have much time to engage at the moment.